[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: [advaitin] What is the glue that binds Brahman and Maya together?

[Sudhanshu Shekhar]

Namaste Subramanian ji.

//Yes, he is equating gold with NB.//

How is it in tune with VedAnta? Gold is the material cause of ornaments.
Nirgun Brahman is not the material cause. Material cause is MAyA which is
adhyAropita in Nirguna Brahman leading to adhyAropita material causality of
mAyA-vishishTa-Brahman.

Regards.

On Wed, 25 Oct, 2023, 10:49 pm V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 5:35 PM H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Namaste.
> >
> > Listened to the talk. What exactly is he equating gold with. Is it
> NirguNa
> > Brahman?
> >
>
> Yes, he is equating gold with NB.
>
>
>
> > Or is it Iswara ? Or is it mAyA ?. At 1-22, he mentions * It is like gold
> > *. But what does that * It * refer to ? NirguNa Brahman ?
> >
>
> Yes, NB.
>
>
>
> > mAyA ? Iswara ? At 1-52, he states that gold plus mAyA becomes the
> Creator
> > !!!
> >
>
> Yes, NB plus Maya is Ishwara and so in the analogy gold plus Maya becomes
> the creator of bracelet, etc. He has already said: the nama rupa vyavahara
> is maya.  We can recall the famous shloka: asti bhAti priyam rUpam nAma
> chetyamshapanchakam. Adya trayam brahma rupam mayarupam tato dvayam.
>
> >
> > At 1-50, he terms mAyA itself as nAma rUpa vyavahAra.
> >
>
> This is in tune with the above shloka. The shakti that is maya can't be
> demonstrated unless through its kArya. So, to say Maya itself is nama rupa
> vyavahara is not incorrect.
>
> I did find it quite in tune with the method Vedanta that is familiar to
> most of us.
>
> warm regards
> subbu
>
>
>
> > He does not say mAyA takes on different nAma rUpa which constitute
> > different objects and lead to vyavahAra. At 2-23, he asks * Can you show
> me
> > the gold separately apart from the form *. Gold is  always the unmanifest
> > material cause which can be perceived ONLY in a manifest form, namely as
> > associated with a form. That is a limitation of the sense organ of
> > perception. At 2-46, he says there is only one and that is *You*. This ,
> in
> > reference to gold as being one only while ornaments in different forms
> are
> > multitudinous.
> >
> > The talk in my view is very unsatisfactory. I do appreciate there are
> many
> > who differ. Just presenting a contrary understanding.
> >
> > Regards
> > Regards
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 1:18 PM V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Swami Sarvapriyananda
> >>
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