[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: [advaitin] What is the glue that binds Brahman and Maya together?

[V Subrahmanian]

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 10:57 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Subramanian ji.
>
> //Yes, he is equating gold with NB.//
>
> How is it in tune with VedAnta? Gold is the material cause of ornaments.
> Nirgun Brahman is not the material cause. Material cause is MAyA which is
> adhyAropita in Nirguna Brahman leading to adhyAropita material causality of
> mAyA-vishishTa-Brahman.
>

Dear Sudhamshu ji,

We do accept vivartopAdAna for Brahman.  The Chandogya Upanishad 6th
chapter, with the same gold, etc. analogies, the BSB 2;1;14 are all about
this.

regards
subbu

>
> Regards.
>
> On Wed, 25 Oct, 2023, 10:49 pm V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 5:35 PM H S Chandramouli <
>> hschandramouli at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Namaste.
>> >
>> > Listened to the talk. What exactly is he equating gold with. Is it
>> NirguNa
>> > Brahman?
>> >
>>
>> Yes, he is equating gold with NB.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Or is it Iswara ? Or is it mAyA ?. At 1-22, he mentions * It is like
>> gold
>> > *. But what does that * It * refer to ? NirguNa Brahman ?
>> >
>>
>> Yes, NB.
>>
>>
>>
>> > mAyA ? Iswara ? At 1-52, he states that gold plus mAyA becomes the
>> Creator
>> > !!!
>> >
>>
>> Yes, NB plus Maya is Ishwara and so in the analogy gold plus Maya becomes
>> the creator of bracelet, etc. He has already said: the nama rupa vyavahara
>> is maya.  We can recall the famous shloka: asti bhAti priyam rUpam nAma
>> chetyamshapanchakam. Adya trayam brahma rupam mayarupam tato dvayam.
>>
>> >
>> > At 1-50, he terms mAyA itself as nAma rUpa vyavahAra.
>> >
>>
>> This is in tune with the above shloka. The shakti that is maya can't be
>> demonstrated unless through its kArya. So, to say Maya itself is nama rupa
>> vyavahara is not incorrect.
>>
>> I did find it quite in tune with the method Vedanta that is familiar to
>> most of us.
>>
>> warm regards
>> subbu
>>
>>
>>
>> > He does not say mAyA takes on different nAma rUpa which constitute
>> > different objects and lead to vyavahAra. At 2-23, he asks * Can you
>> show me
>> > the gold separately apart from the form *. Gold is  always the
>> unmanifest
>> > material cause which can be perceived ONLY in a manifest form, namely as
>> > associated with a form. That is a limitation of the sense organ of
>> > perception. At 2-46, he says there is only one and that is *You*. This
>> , in
>> > reference to gold as being one only while ornaments in different forms
>> are
>> > multitudinous.
>> >
>> > The talk in my view is very unsatisfactory. I do appreciate there are
>> many
>> > who differ. Just presenting a contrary understanding.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 1:18 PM V Subrahmanian <
>> v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Swami Sarvapriyananda
>> >>
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