[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: [advaitin] What is the glue that binds Brahman and Maya together?

[V Subrahmanian]

The Chandogya 6th chapter gives three analogies: clay, gold and iron - all
three to equate with Nirguna Brahman.

The Gaudapada karika adds one more: visphulinga: sparks coming from fire.
This analogy is also to show Brahman the cause being the source of the
world.

regards


On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 2:00 PM H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste.
>
> Reg  //Yes, he is equating gold with NB.//,
>
> Equating inert substance with Chaitanya ??  Cannot recall a similar
> sentiment from any other advaitic text.
>
> Regards
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 3:06 AM V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 10:57 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <
>> sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Namaste Subramanian ji.
>> >
>> > //Yes, he is equating gold with NB.//
>> >
>> > How is it in tune with VedAnta? Gold is the material cause of ornaments.
>> > Nirgun Brahman is not the material cause. Material cause is MAyA which
>> is
>> > adhyAropita in Nirguna Brahman leading to adhyAropita material
>> causality of
>> > mAyA-vishishTa-Brahman.
>> >
>>
>> Dear Sudhamshu ji,
>>
>> We do accept vivartopAdAna for Brahman.  The Chandogya Upanishad 6th
>> chapter, with the same gold, etc. analogies, the BSB 2;1;14 are all about
>> this.
>>
>> regards
>> subbu
>>
>> >
>> > Regards.
>> >
>> > On Wed, 25 Oct, 2023, 10:49 pm V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l, <
>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 5:35 PM H S Chandramouli <
>> >> hschandramouli at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Namaste.
>> >> >
>> >> > Listened to the talk. What exactly is he equating gold with. Is it
>> >> NirguNa
>> >> > Brahman?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Yes, he is equating gold with NB.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Or is it Iswara ? Or is it mAyA ?. At 1-22, he mentions * It is like
>> >> gold
>> >> > *. But what does that * It * refer to ? NirguNa Brahman ?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Yes, NB.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > mAyA ? Iswara ? At 1-52, he states that gold plus mAyA becomes the
>> >> Creator
>> >> > !!!
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Yes, NB plus Maya is Ishwara and so in the analogy gold plus Maya
>> becomes
>> >> the creator of bracelet, etc. He has already said: the nama rupa
>> vyavahara
>> >> is maya.  We can recall the famous shloka: asti bhAti priyam rUpam nAma
>> >> chetyamshapanchakam. Adya trayam brahma rupam mayarupam tato dvayam.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > At 1-50, he terms mAyA itself as nAma rUpa vyavahAra.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> This is in tune with the above shloka. The shakti that is maya can't be
>> >> demonstrated unless through its kArya. So, to say Maya itself is nama
>> rupa
>> >> vyavahara is not incorrect.
>> >>
>> >> I did find it quite in tune with the method Vedanta that is familiar to
>> >> most of us.
>> >>
>> >> warm regards
>> >> subbu
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > He does not say mAyA takes on different nAma rUpa which constitute
>> >> > different objects and lead to vyavahAra. At 2-23, he asks * Can you
>> >> show me
>> >> > the gold separately apart from the form *. Gold is  always the
>> >> unmanifest
>> >> > material cause which can be perceived ONLY in a manifest form,
>> namely as
>> >> > associated with a form. That is a limitation of the sense organ of
>> >> > perception. At 2-46, he says there is only one and that is *You*.
>> This
>> >> , in
>> >> > reference to gold as being one only while ornaments in different
>> forms
>> >> are
>> >> > multitudinous.
>> >> >
>> >> > The talk in my view is very unsatisfactory. I do appreciate there are
>> >> many
>> >> > who differ. Just presenting a contrary understanding.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards
>> >> > Regards
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 1:18 PM V Subrahmanian <
>> >> v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Swami Sarvapriyananda
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://youtu.be/nTvGSyZbSew?si=l2N3-ozg0jSXSoff
>> >> >>
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