[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: [advaitin] What is the glue that binds Brahman and Maya together?

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste.

Reg  //Yes, he is equating gold with NB.//,

Equating inert substance with Chaitanya ??  Cannot recall a similar
sentiment from any other advaitic text.

Regards

On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 3:06 AM V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 10:57 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <
> sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Namaste Subramanian ji.
> >
> > //Yes, he is equating gold with NB.//
> >
> > How is it in tune with VedAnta? Gold is the material cause of ornaments.
> > Nirgun Brahman is not the material cause. Material cause is MAyA which is
> > adhyAropita in Nirguna Brahman leading to adhyAropita material causality
> of
> > mAyA-vishishTa-Brahman.
> >
>
> Dear Sudhamshu ji,
>
> We do accept vivartopAdAna for Brahman.  The Chandogya Upanishad 6th
> chapter, with the same gold, etc. analogies, the BSB 2;1;14 are all about
> this.
>
> regards
> subbu
>
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > On Wed, 25 Oct, 2023, 10:49 pm V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l, <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 5:35 PM H S Chandramouli <
> >> hschandramouli at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Namaste.
> >> >
> >> > Listened to the talk. What exactly is he equating gold with. Is it
> >> NirguNa
> >> > Brahman?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yes, he is equating gold with NB.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Or is it Iswara ? Or is it mAyA ?. At 1-22, he mentions * It is like
> >> gold
> >> > *. But what does that * It * refer to ? NirguNa Brahman ?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yes, NB.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > mAyA ? Iswara ? At 1-52, he states that gold plus mAyA becomes the
> >> Creator
> >> > !!!
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yes, NB plus Maya is Ishwara and so in the analogy gold plus Maya
> becomes
> >> the creator of bracelet, etc. He has already said: the nama rupa
> vyavahara
> >> is maya.  We can recall the famous shloka: asti bhAti priyam rUpam nAma
> >> chetyamshapanchakam. Adya trayam brahma rupam mayarupam tato dvayam.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > At 1-50, he terms mAyA itself as nAma rUpa vyavahAra.
> >> >
> >>
> >> This is in tune with the above shloka. The shakti that is maya can't be
> >> demonstrated unless through its kArya. So, to say Maya itself is nama
> rupa
> >> vyavahara is not incorrect.
> >>
> >> I did find it quite in tune with the method Vedanta that is familiar to
> >> most of us.
> >>
> >> warm regards
> >> subbu
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > He does not say mAyA takes on different nAma rUpa which constitute
> >> > different objects and lead to vyavahAra. At 2-23, he asks * Can you
> >> show me
> >> > the gold separately apart from the form *. Gold is  always the
> >> unmanifest
> >> > material cause which can be perceived ONLY in a manifest form, namely
> as
> >> > associated with a form. That is a limitation of the sense organ of
> >> > perception. At 2-46, he says there is only one and that is *You*. This
> >> , in
> >> > reference to gold as being one only while ornaments in different forms
> >> are
> >> > multitudinous.
> >> >
> >> > The talk in my view is very unsatisfactory. I do appreciate there are
> >> many
> >> > who differ. Just presenting a contrary understanding.
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > Regards
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 1:18 PM V Subrahmanian <
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> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Swami Sarvapriyananda
> >> >>
> >> >> https://youtu.be/nTvGSyZbSew?si=l2N3-ozg0jSXSoff
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