[Advaita-l] [advaitin] A smart inference by Shankara

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste.

Reg **positive** term for avidyA.

Any number of scholars like Prof Hiriyanna, Prof Suryanarayana Shastri, Dr
Kunhan Raja, Prof TMP Mahadevan, Alladi Mahadeva Shastri etc have termed
avidyA as **positive** in many of their texts.

Sri Goda Venkateswara Shastrinah, in his talks covering Advaita Siddhi,
terms avidyA/ajnAna as **positive** entity (using the English word) at many
places. He specifically mentions, concerning bhAva-vilakshaNa of avidyA,
 that the word **bhAva** here should be understood as Brahman, and that it
is meant to distinguish them as both are termed anAdi.

Regards

On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 12:36 PM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste Bhaskar ji
> The statement that jIvanmukti is arthavAda is in the framework where only
> paramArtha sattA is taught.
>
>  I do understand it's disconcerting to hear it out of context that there
> have never been other jnAnIs.
>
> But then so is the kArikA 2.32
> "na nirodho na cotpattir na baddho na ca sādhakaḥ |
> na mumukṣurna vai mukta ityeṣā paramārthatā ".
>
> We have got used to hearing this kArikA and understand it in the context of
> it being a pAramArthika statement made at the end of teaching. Please note
> that there is a certain context where this statement has to be taught by a
> Guru to a shishya who is not yet a jnAnI. So the student who is not yet a
> jnAnI has to nevertheless try and appreciate the meaning and implication of
> this statement even while still in vyavahAra - when he is making the
> cognitive jump or transition to pAramArthika understanding. So it's not as
> if this statement 2.32 serves no purpose for the student and can only be
> made by a jnAnI. That's not so. This statement is quite relevant even for a
> student of the higher order.
>
> The same holds for the ekasattAvAda statement that which denies
> multiplicity of jIvas.
>
> It's like hearing in a dream from a dream Guru, that no one has woken up
> far.
>
> Om
> Raghav
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> On Wed, 14 Aug, 2024, 4:44 pm Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > the fact that jIvanmukti is treated as arthavAda in siddhAnta?
> >
> > praNAms
> > Hare Krishna
> >
> > Due to severe time constraints, I am not able to actively participate in
> > these discussions till next week.  Sri Sudhanshu prabhuji said
> jeevanmukti
> > is kevala eulogy (arthavaada) in advaita siddhAnta.  I could hardly see
> any
> > endorsement or refutation of this statement from other modern day
> > scholars!!! would some, who are busy in attacking Sri SSS and his
> > understanding of the shankaraadvaita and later vyAkhyAnakAra-s
> > manipulations,  mind to comment on this please.
> >
> > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> > bhaskar
> >
> > BHASKAR YR
> >
> > From: advaitin at googlegroups.com <advaitin at googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of
> > Sudhanshu Shekhar
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2024 8:15 AM
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> >
> > Both (followers of) SSS ji and Manjushree Hegde ji should first clarify
> as
> > to which prakriyA they are talking about. Whether it is SDV, DSV, ajAti,
> > eka-jIva-vAda, aneka-jIva-vAda, sattA-dvaividhya-vAda,
> > sattA-traividhya-vAda, eka-sattA-vAda etc? We have different theories for
> > different models catering to different adhikArIs. This is mentioned by
> > BhAshyakAra in MANDUkya -  यापि बुद्धैः अद्वैतवादिभिः जातिः देशिता
> > उपदिष्टा, उपलम्भनमुपलम्भः, तस्मात् उपलब्धेरित्यर्थः । समाचारात्
> > वर्णाश्रमादिधर्मसमाचरणाच्च ताभ्यां हेतुभ्याम् अस्तिवस्तुत्ववादिनाम् अस्ति
> > वस्तुभाव इत्येवंवदनशीलानां दृढाग्रहवतां श्रद्दधानां
> > मन्दविवेकिनामर्थोपायत्वेन सा देशिता जातिः तां गृह्णन्तु तावत् ।
> > वेदान्ताभ्यासिनां तु स्वयमेव अजाद्वयात्मविषयो विवेको भविष्यतीति ; न तु
> > परमार्थबुद्ध्या ।
> >
> > //Failing to see that the convention of the eschatological mukti is only
> a
> > concession to the Vyāvahāric view that man has a body, the Vyākhyāna
> > schools have succumbed to 18 the belief that release is really an event
> in
> > time to be attained after exhausting all karmas//
> >
> > Such statement by SSS ji attributing "failure" and "succumbing" by
> > post-Shankara AchAryAs shows his ignorance of siddhAnta as propounded in
> > sampradAya. SiddhAnta upholds ajAti as the only truth and speaks of SDV
> and
> > DSV as means to lead thereto. Jivanmukti-videhamukti is valid in SDV
> which
> > paves the way to DSV wherein jIvanmukti is treated as arthavAda. This in
> > turn leads to ajAti which is the ultimate truth.
> >
> > Failure by SSS ji in appreciating the siddhAnta as being differently
> > propounded to different aspirants depending on their adhikAritvam as
> > enunciated by BhAshyakAra has resulted in SSS ji's succumbing to usage of
> > fertile imagination to be propagated in the name of siddhAnta.
> >
> > Has SSS ji anywhere acknowledged the fact that jIvanmukti is treated as
> > arthavAda in siddhAnta? You should check it from SSS ji followers and
> must
> > come back. If he has not acknowledged it, then it speaks volumes about
> his
> > correct representation of siddhAnta as presented by later AchAryAs.
> >
> > Regards.
> > Sudhanshu Shekhar.
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