[Advaita-l] [advaitin] A smart inference by Shankara

[Raghav Kumar Dwivedula]

Namaste Bhaskar ji
The statement that jIvanmukti is arthavAda is in the framework where only
paramArtha sattA is taught.

 I do understand it's disconcerting to hear it out of context that there
have never been other jnAnIs.

But then so is the kArikA 2.32
"na nirodho na cotpattir na baddho na ca sādhakaḥ |
na mumukṣurna vai mukta ityeṣā paramārthatā ".

We have got used to hearing this kArikA and understand it in the context of
it being a pAramArthika statement made at the end of teaching. Please note
that there is a certain context where this statement has to be taught by a
Guru to a shishya who is not yet a jnAnI. So the student who is not yet a
jnAnI has to nevertheless try and appreciate the meaning and implication of
this statement even while still in vyavahAra - when he is making the
cognitive jump or transition to pAramArthika understanding. So it's not as
if this statement 2.32 serves no purpose for the student and can only be
made by a jnAnI. That's not so. This statement is quite relevant even for a
student of the higher order.

The same holds for the ekasattAvAda statement that which denies
multiplicity of jIvas.

It's like hearing in a dream from a dream Guru, that no one has woken up
far.

Om
Raghav










On Wed, 14 Aug, 2024, 4:44 pm Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> the fact that jIvanmukti is treated as arthavAda in siddhAnta?
>
> praNAms
> Hare Krishna
>
> Due to severe time constraints, I am not able to actively participate in
> these discussions till next week.  Sri Sudhanshu prabhuji said jeevanmukti
> is kevala eulogy (arthavaada) in advaita siddhAnta.  I could hardly see any
> endorsement or refutation of this statement from other modern day
> scholars!!! would some, who are busy in attacking Sri SSS and his
> understanding of the shankaraadvaita and later vyAkhyAnakAra-s
> manipulations,  mind to comment on this please.
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
>
> BHASKAR YR
>
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> Both (followers of) SSS ji and Manjushree Hegde ji should first clarify as
> to which prakriyA they are talking about. Whether it is SDV, DSV, ajAti,
> eka-jIva-vAda, aneka-jIva-vAda, sattA-dvaividhya-vAda,
> sattA-traividhya-vAda, eka-sattA-vAda etc? We have different theories for
> different models catering to different adhikArIs. This is mentioned by
> BhAshyakAra in MANDUkya -  यापि बुद्धैः अद्वैतवादिभिः जातिः देशिता
> उपदिष्टा, उपलम्भनमुपलम्भः, तस्मात् उपलब्धेरित्यर्थः । समाचारात्
> वर्णाश्रमादिधर्मसमाचरणाच्च ताभ्यां हेतुभ्याम् अस्तिवस्तुत्ववादिनाम् अस्ति
> वस्तुभाव इत्येवंवदनशीलानां दृढाग्रहवतां श्रद्दधानां
> मन्दविवेकिनामर्थोपायत्वेन सा देशिता जातिः तां गृह्णन्तु तावत् ।
> वेदान्ताभ्यासिनां तु स्वयमेव अजाद्वयात्मविषयो विवेको भविष्यतीति ; न तु
> परमार्थबुद्ध्या ।
>
> //Failing to see that the convention of the eschatological mukti is only a
> concession to the Vyāvahāric view that man has a body, the Vyākhyāna
> schools have succumbed to 18 the belief that release is really an event in
> time to be attained after exhausting all karmas//
>
> Such statement by SSS ji attributing "failure" and "succumbing" by
> post-Shankara AchAryAs shows his ignorance of siddhAnta as propounded in
> sampradAya. SiddhAnta upholds ajAti as the only truth and speaks of SDV and
> DSV as means to lead thereto. Jivanmukti-videhamukti is valid in SDV which
> paves the way to DSV wherein jIvanmukti is treated as arthavAda. This in
> turn leads to ajAti which is the ultimate truth.
>
> Failure by SSS ji in appreciating the siddhAnta as being differently
> propounded to different aspirants depending on their adhikAritvam as
> enunciated by BhAshyakAra has resulted in SSS ji's succumbing to usage of
> fertile imagination to be propagated in the name of siddhAnta.
>
> Has SSS ji anywhere acknowledged the fact that jIvanmukti is treated as
> arthavAda in siddhAnta? You should check it from SSS ji followers and must
> come back. If he has not acknowledged it, then it speaks volumes about his
> correct representation of siddhAnta as presented by later AchAryAs.
>
> Regards.
> Sudhanshu Shekhar.
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