[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Re: pratiyogI-jnAna being mandatory for abhAva-jnAna

[Venkatraghavan S]

Namaste Sudhanshu Ji / Ananta Chaitanya ji,

One argument that SSS ji appears to be making is that by knowing the
sAmAnya (videshIyAh) one can know sAmAnya-abhAva (videshIya abhAva) and by
knowledge of sAmAnya abhAva, one can have knowledge of visheSha abhAva
(eskimo abhAva) also.

However, here too there is a problem for him. To make such an argument, the
knower has to possess the knowledge that Eskimo is a type of videshi -
without such a knowledge, one cannot claim that eskimo, a visheSha, is a
subset of the sAmAnya, a videshI. Thus, unless one has this eskimo jnAna
(that E is a subset of V), the videshIya abhAva jnAna is not sufficient to
claim knowledge of eskimo abhAva. We come back to abhAva jnAna requiring
pratiyogi jnAna.

One may say I have such a sAmAnya jnAna of the visheSha (ie, that an Eskimo
is a videshI) but I don't have visheSha knowledge of the visheSha (what
kind of videshI is an eskimo), but such a visheSha's abhAva (an Eskimo, who
is denoted by such and such characteristics, is absent) is not the object
of the jnAna of eskimo abhAva gleaned from knowledge of the videshI abhAva
- coming back to the pratiyogitAvacChedaka being videshIyatva, not
eskimotva.

Kind regards,
Venkatraghavan

On Tue, 20 Aug 2024, 20:07 Sudhanshu Shekhar, <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Venkat ji.
>
> 2) And one has knowledge of videshiyatA because he has knowledge of *its*
>> pratiyogi, kArNATakIyatva.
>>
>
> Very nice point.
>
>
>> If the pratiyogitAvacChedaka  of the abhAva jnAna had been eskimotvam,
>> then one can argue that one can argue that it is possible for one to have
>> ekimo abhAva jnAna without eskimo jnAna.
>>
>
> Absolutely. And since he does not
> eskimo-tva-avachchhinna-pratiyogitA-nirUpita-jnAna, if there is even one
> foreigner in the society, the person would not be able to have
> eskimo-abhAva-jnAna. He does not know the eskimo as an eskimo, he knows the
> eskimo as a foreigner.
>
> Namaste Ananta Chaitanya ji.
>
> //It appears to me that that the person has no visheShAbhavajnAna here at
> all.//
>
> I think vishesha-abhAva-jnAna is pretty much there and pratiyogI-jnAna is
> also there. Only thing, the pratiyogitA-avachchhedaka is different. While
> the pratiyogitA-avachchhedaka is videshIyatva i.e. kArnaTika-bhinnatva, SSS
> ji has confused it to be Eskimo-tva.
>
> //He only knows tadbhedakUTAbhAva or
> kArNATakIya-bhinnatva-avachChinna-pratiyogitAka-abhAva.//
>
> True.
>
> Regards.
>
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