[Advaita-l] [advaitin] SSSS on the controversy between mulav7idya and abhavarupa - directly and simply explained as per SSSS

[Jaishankar Narayanan]

Namaste Raghav ji,

Yes. Sureshvara by saying amitra has unambiguously said that avidya is
vidya-virodhi. Also by saying anatma is avidya he has said it is upAdAna
like saying pot is clay.

SSS followers should be honest and propose their prakriya as an independent
prakriya like so many modern Yoga-Vedantins do and not torture the words of
Shankara and Sureshvara to gain legitimacy.

With love and prayers,
Jaishankar

On Sat, 24 Aug, 2024, 8:07 am Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste Jaishankar ji
> Thank you for sharing those verses from taittirIya bhAShya vArtika which
> indicate that Sri Sureshvara and Padmapada are unanimous.
>
> We may need to assert that the word amitra has virodhArthe na~n  upasarga
> (amitra = enemy) rather than abhAvArthe na~n (amitra = friendless).
>
> Om
>
> On Sat, 24 Aug, 2024, 6:55 am Jaishankar Narayanan via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Namaste,
> >
> > Looking at the below message from Bhaskar ji now, I want to know how he
> or
> > SSS interprets the following TUBV verses from Brahmavalli
> >
> > परात्मनोऽप्यनन्तस्य क्षेत्रज्ञत्वमविद्यया ।
> > क्षेत्रज्ञं चापि मां विद्धीत्येवं सत्युपपद्यते ॥ १७५ ॥
> >
> > न जानामीत्यविद्यैकाऽनित्या तत्कारणं मता ।
> > स्वप्रसिद्ध्यैव सा सिध्येन्निशौलूकीव वासरे ॥ १७६ ॥
> >
> > प्रमाणोत्पन्नया दृष्ट्या योऽविद्यां द्रष्टुमिच्चति ।
> > दीपेनासौ ध्रुवं पश्येद् गुहाकुक्षिगतं तमः ॥ १७७ ॥
> >
> > अनात्मेतीह यद्भाति तदविद्याविजृम्भितम् ।
> > तस्मादविद्या साऽप्युक्ता विद्या त्वात्मैकरूपिणी ॥ १७८ ॥
> >
> > आत्माग्रहातिरेकेण तस्या रूपं न विद्यते ।
> > अमित्रवदविद्येति सत्येवं घटते सदा ॥ १७९ ॥
> >
> > Paramatma becomes kshetrajna due to avidya. Avidya is sakshi bhaAsya in
> the
> > form of 'I do not know' like even the Owl sees the darkness of night as
> > daytime. Avidya cannot be known through pramana as it is like trying to
> see
> > darkness with the help of a lamp. All anAtma is a projection of avidyA,
> so
> > it is called avidyA  and vidyA is only in the form of self conscious
> Atma.
> > It does not exist in any other form other than non apprehension of Atma -
> > it is only tenable if it is said that avidyA is like the term amitra (not
> > friend - which cannot be an abhAva)
> >
> > There cannot be a clearer evidence than the above to prove that
> Sureshvara
> > and all other Sampradaya Acharyas were talking about avidyA in the same
> > way. SSS followers should not ostracize Sureshvara too :-)
> >
> > Namaste,
> > Jaishankar
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 21, 2024 at 12:02 PM 'Bhaskar YR' via advaitin <
> > advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > > praNAms
> > >
> > > Hare Krishna
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sri SSS’s take on vArtikakAra is very simple and straightforward.  He
> > > observes in one of his works : the vArtikakAra has NOT accepted
> mUlAvidyA
> > > as advocated by the vivaraNakAra.  As per vArtika prakriya barring the
> > > three aspects of ajnAna for jnAna there is no other obstacle
> whatsoever.
> > > AjnAna or jnAnAbhAva itself is the essence of the other two variants
> i.e.
> > > misconception and doubt.  So any number of vArtika quotes would simply
> > > cannot go against this final stand on avidyA by vArtikakAra.  Sri
> Vittala
> > > shastri talks about these vArtika references and clarifies that these
> > > quotes would not help us to prove ‘fourth’ type of avidyA which is
> > > conspicuous by its absence in Tai. & bru vArtika and NS.  He further
> > > clarified that there is no profound and pronounced differences in
> > vArtika-s
> > > when compared to mUla bhAshya. vArtikakAra not only followed mUla
> bhAshya
> > > religiously but also added some yukti-s (logical devices) of
> bhAshyakAra
> > to
> > > further strengthening them.  There are some place there is a talk about
> > > upAdAnatva of avidyA etc. but it is not the subject matter of proving
> > > avidyA upAdAna kAranatva in that particular context, and here too
> avidyA
> > is
> > > jnAnAbhAva only that leads to adhyAsa.  So, Sri SSS’s followers may
> > please
> > > be assured that unlike vyAkhyAna, vArtika followed mUla and elaborated
> > > whatever in mUla without introducing some extra alien concepts like
> > > bhAvarUpa, jadAtmaka, anirvachaneeya brahmAshrita, sadasatvilakshaNa
> > > mUlAvidyA.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> > >
> > > bhaskar
> > >
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