[Advaita-l] Definition of Ashrayatva and Vishayatva

[Venkatraghavan S]

Thank you, I see it now.


Regards,
Venkatraghavan

On Sun, 28 Jan 2024, 19:53 H S Chandramouli, <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Venkat Ji,
>
> It is from page 3 of Sri Anantakrishna Shastri Ji's text only. Your quote
> is from page 2.
>
> Regards
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 5:20 PM Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Namaste Chandramouli ji,
>>
>> Yes it would. Where is this quote from?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Venkatraghavan
>>
>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024, 18:56 H S Chandramouli, <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Namaste Venkat Ji,
>>>
>>> I thought the following would support Vichara Sagara view. Is that
>>> likely ??
>>>
>>> // अत्र हि मते जीवपदेन नान्त:करणविशिष्टं चैतन्यं विवच्यते ;
>>> अन्योन्याश्रयापत्तेः किन्तु स्वरूपचैतन्यमेव । तञ्च स्वरूपम्,
>>> अज्ञानाश्रयत्वेन जीव इति व्यवहारमाप्नोति आवृतत्वेन ब्रह्मचैतन्यमिति न
>>> जीवब्रह्मविवेकः । अस्मिंश्च मतेऽज्ञानावच्छिन्नं चैतन्यं जीवः । //.
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 10:43 AM Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Namaste Chandramouli ji
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for sharing the references. Again, very interesting aspects
>>>> brought out in the comments below by Dr Raja and Suryanarayana Shastri. The
>>>> natural question it leads to is who is Ishvara in the bhAmati system that
>>>> uses the ignorance located in the jIva to create the world. Some answers
>>>> are found in the references provided by Dr Raja and S. Shastri themselves.
>>>>
>>>> I checked the commentary to the Vedanta Paribhasha by Anantakrishna
>>>> Sastrigal and read what he has to say on the topic.
>>>>
>>>> He says that in the commentary to the siddhAntu bindu, brahmAnanda
>>>> sarasvatI says that the determining factor for what is the cause of the
>>>> universe is where ignorance resides, and on that basis, it is the jIva that
>>>> is the cause of the universe according to vAchaspati miSra - because he
>>>> (vAchaspati) holds that ignorance resides in the jIva.
>>>>
>>>> However, Anantakrishna Shastrigal goes on to say that the Kalapataru
>>>> says that according to vAchaspati miSra, Brahman is the cause of the
>>>> universe.
>>>>
>>>> In support, he quotes a verse from the Kalpataru commentary to the
>>>> jagatvAcitva-adhikaraNam / bAlAkyadhikaraNam.
>>>>
>>>> The kalpatarukAra writes the following verse on the
>>>> phrase जगत्कर्तृत्वस्य च ब्रह्मणोऽन्यत्रासम्भवात् of the bhAmati -
>>>>
>>>> जगत्कर्तृत्वमन्यत्र ब्रह्मणो नेति दुष्यति।
>>>> वाचस्पतावुपालम्भमनालोच्योचिरे परे॥
>>>> जीवाज्जज्ञे जगत्सर्वं सकारणमिति ब्रुवन्।
>>>> क्षिपन् समन्वयं जीवे न लेजे वाक्पतिः कथम्?॥
>>>>
>>>> So, in vAchaspati's view, Brahman is the creator of the world even if
>>>> ignorance is located in the jIva.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think this is the support for the vichAra sAgara statement that
>>>> the intent of the bhAmatikAra is that Brahman is the locus of ignorance,
>>>> and it is notionally said to be located in the jIva on the basis of
>>>> something located in the visheShya is notionally said to be located in the
>>>> vishiShTa also.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Venkatraghavan
>>>>
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