[Advaita-l] [advaitin] The constant thought of 'I am Vishnu' results in liberation, moksha - Skandapurana

[Venkatraghavan S]

Dear Sri Srinivasa Moorthy,
Are you aware of adhikAri bheda?

When you ask - "WHEN YOUR VERY  SVARUPAM IS VISHNU why contemplate as 'I am
Vishnu'? " - do you know that to be the case?

If you do know it as an intimate, direct fact about oneself, then such a
contemplation is simply reveling in that svarUpa, which is a source of joy.
It is jnAna niShThA.

If you do not know it, then such a contemplation is a means to know it as
fact, to free oneself from samsAra. It is jnAna sAdhanA for the purpose of
moksha, the parama puruShArtha.

And yes, I am aware that moksha is a siddha vastu and not an object to be
attained. That being said, it is undeniable that a vast majority of jIvas
consider themselves to be samsAri-s, kartA-s and bhoktA-s and do undergo a
tremendous amount of suffering. To them, a nitya siddha moksha is as good
as asiddha. For them, this jnAna is the highest goal to be attained.

In either case, there is a purpose behind the teaching and the comment
"Only a mad man will do that" is uncalled for.

Do you think Veda Vyasa, a maharishi and jnAni, and Mahavishnu, nitya
buddha mukta shuddha Ishvara Himself, are not intimately aware of this
knowledge themselves - why would they have given the teaching "*अहमेव सदा
विष्णुरित्यात्मनि विचारयन्" *if it is fit only for "only a mad man"?

Regards,
Venkatraghavan







On Mon, 29 Jan 2024, 21:38 'sreenivasa murthy' via advaitin, <
advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Dear Sri Venkatraghavan,
>
>       I thank you for your kind response.
>
> As a reply to your response  I am bringing to your kind attention two
> postings of mine which appeared  in Advaitin group as well as Advaitin-1
> group.
>
> That will be enough for you to know the importance of the questions I
> posed to Sri Subramanian. Please ponder over the questions in the light of
> the mantras to which I have referred in the posting  [a-2]. My Revered
> Guru’s   Grace helped me in my journey undertaken in the direction as
> revealed by those mantras towards  MYSELF which is ATMAN / BRAHMAN.
>
>
>
> POSTING :[a-1]
>
> Re: [Advaita-l] How can prANa be Brahman?
>
>
>
> From: sreenivasa murthy
>
> narayana145 at yahoo.co.in
>
> SUBJECT : Re: [Advaita-l] How can prANa be Brahman?
>
>
>
> To:hschandramouli at gmail.com,ravikiranm108 at gmail.com,
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
>
> Cc:advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
>
> *Sat, 10 Sept, 2016 at 4:34 pm*
>
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
>
>
> Sri Chandramouli writes : "In short the goal of every advaita sAdhaka
> should be to be a    jivanmukta."
>
>
>
>    The fact is that *every one including an advaita sadhaka is already a
> jivanmukta* but most of them, say 99.999% , are not aware of this TRUTH.
> So what has to be done is to become aware of this FACT. The methodology to
> become aware of this fact has been given in the mantras 2-1-3 & 2-1-4 of
> Kathopanishad and Mantra 2-4 of Kena Upanishad . In the commentaries to
> those mantras, Sri Shankara, in the most simple and direct way has
> explained and shown the path in very clear terms . If only a sincere
> mumukshu, with an open mind, can study at the feet of a Guru who has
> cognized the truth within himself by himself and see the Truth, not through
> the screen of the scholarship and knowledge which he has accumulated, but
> with a clean slate as taught by the Sruti and Acharya he can surely and
> certainly reach the goal which is no goal at all.
>
>  Sri Shankara says :
>
>           [a-1]Atman is nityavartamAnasvarUpaH.
>
>           [a-2] nityatvAt mokShasya  ,
>
>                    sAdhakasvarUpAvyatirEkAcca ||
>
>            [a-3] AtmA hi nAma svarUpam ||
>
>
>
> With sAShTAMganamaskArams,
>
> Sreenivasa Murthy
>
>
>
> Posting [a-2]
>
> From::
>
> Sreenivasa Murthy
>
> narayana145 at yahoo.co.in
>
> To:A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta,Advaitin
>
> Sun, 10 Dec, 2023 at 11:02 am
>
>
>
> SUBJECT : MESSAGE OF THE UPANISHADS
>
> Respected members,
>
>
>
>    Mother Sruti declares :
>
> Yatra nAnyat paSyati nAnyat SRuNOti nAnyat
>
>             vijAnAti sa BUmA || Chandogya 7-24-1
>
> SatyaM  jnAnaM  anantam  brahma || TaittarIya 2-1
>
> sarvagM  hyEtadbrahma  ayamAtmA
>
>                 brahma || ManDukya Mantra 2
>
> brahmaivEdagM  viSvaM  variShTham || muMDaka 2-2-12
>
> sa EvEdagM sarvaM || Chandogya 7-25-1
>
> ahamEvEdagam   sarvam || Chandogya 7-25-1
>
> AtmaivEdagaM   sarvam  || Chandogya 7-25-2
>
> Atmata EvEdagM  sarvam || Chandogya 7-26-1
>
> prapaMcOpaSamam   Sivam   advaitam  caturtham  manyantE
>
>        sa  AtmA  sa  VijnEyaH || Mandukya mantra 7
>
> From the above quoted mantras it follows that
>
> Aham which is myself and which is HERE and NOW
>
> is  *BUmA*, Atman, Brahman. And also I am anantam and advaitam.
>
>  I am HERE & NOW.
>
> Hence where *nAnu* is there which is HERE & NOW,
>
> there is no second thing besides me which can be seen,
>
> Which can be heard or which can be thought about.
>
> So I AM advaitatattva.
>
>  This is the only conclusion  that can be drawn from the above quoted
> Sruti mantras.
>
>
>
> I request the  very well versed Scholars in Vedanta
>
> to ponder over the implications of these mantras
>
> and show how what has been stated in these mantras is a fact of life.
>
>
>
> This is a litmus test to all the great scholars of this group.
>
>
>
> With respectful namaskars,
>
> Sreenivasa Murthy.
>
> Unquote.
>
>
>
> With this I will close.
>
> With respectful pranams,
>
> Sreenivasa Murthy.
>
>
> On Monday, 29 January, 2024 at 12:54:39 pm IST, Venkatraghavan S <
> agnimile at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Very correct. shAstras are totally unnecessary. There is no need for
> shravaNam, mananam, nididhyAsanam. There is no need for Shankaracharya to
> have come down to earth and written all his commentaries. It is a total
> waste of time.
>
> Whereas, not doing anything and whiling away one's time is perfectly
> sensible.
>
> Kind regards,
> Venkatraghavan.
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 9:28 AM 'sreenivasa murthy' via advaitin <
> advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Sri Subramanian,
>
> You write: "
>
> ·         Since Vishnu (The all pervading Consciousness) is
> my very svarupam, the contemplation frees me."
>
> WHEN YOUR VERY  SVARUPAM IS VISHNU why contemplate as 'I am Vishnu'?
> Who is that 'me' that contemplates thus?
> Is that 'me' separate from Vishnu?
> If he is separate from Vishnu then how can he be Vishnu or
> become Vishnu?
> Do you contemplate 'I am a human being'?
> Is it not ridiculous?
> When you are already a human being why contemplate?
> Only a mad man will do that.
> Is it not so?
>
> Please ponder over.
> With warm regards,
> Sreenivasa Murthy.
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 28 January, 2024 at 06:19:53 pm IST, V Subrahmanian via
> Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 5:21 PM 'sreenivasa murthy' via advaitin <
> advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Sri Subramanian,
> >
> > You write :"one becomes liberated from bondage by constantly thinking 'I
> > am Vishnu'"
> >
> > IS it not like saying "One becomes a crorepati by
> > constantly thinking 'I am Mukesh Ambani'"?
> >
>
> Namaste Sir,
>
> The difference is this:  Since Vishnu (The all pervading Consciousness) is
> my very svarupam, the contemplation frees me.  Since crorepati is not my
> svarupam there is no use constantly thinking I am Mukesh Ambani.  But in
> the modern world, a person who wants to become a crorepati benefits from
> the lessons Mukesh Ambani's life teaches.
>
> warm regards
> subbu
>
>
> >
> > Is it ever possible?
> > What has been stated / quoted by you goes against the
> > teachings of Upanishads And Sri Shankara.
> > Such quotations are misleading.
> > Kindly pardon me for my frank opinion .
> > With warm regards,
> > Sreenivasa Murthy
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Archives: https://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/
>
> To unsubscribe or change your options:
> https://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/advaita-l
>
> For assistance, contact:
> listmaster at advaita-vedanta.org
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "advaitin" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to advaitin+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/advaitin/238883448.1145216.1706491670815%40mail.yahoo.com
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/advaitin/238883448.1145216.1706491670815%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>
> .
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "advaitin" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to advaitin+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/advaitin/CAL34aEk%2BRG6Sd7Z0C_RH1RxTts4Cd0wv5FazfTYNJ8hU2uuUhg%40mail.gmail.com
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/advaitin/CAL34aEk%2BRG6Sd7Z0C_RH1RxTts4Cd0wv5FazfTYNJ8hU2uuUhg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>
> .
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "advaitin" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to advaitin+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/advaitin/1434324423.1395307.1706535495828%40mail.yahoo.com
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/advaitin/1434324423.1395307.1706535495828%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>
> .
>