[Advaita-l] what is the technical definition of Drik in Advaita?

[Krishna Kashyap]

Namaste,

I have not studied "drik-drishya viveka". If this work is commonly accepted
and respected by all Advaitins, has anyone studied this completely to find
out what it says regarding drik?

*Best Regards,*

*Krishna Kashyap*




On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 6:59 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste Chandramouli ji.
>
> I have gone through the said BrAhmaNa in great detail a number of times.
>
> I would repeat my understanding -- shuddha Brahman is not sAkshI.
>
> SAkshI is avidyA-upahita-chaitanya.
>
> DrashTA is sAkshI.
>
> There is adhyAsa of drashTritva in shuddha chaitanya. DrashTritva is
> avidyA-prayukta.
>
> "There is nitya drishTi of Atman" refers to sAkshI. The concept of nitya
> requires concept of time. That itself is product of avidyA.
>
> Let us analyse logically where we differ. Not merely quote sentences from
> bhAshya but analyse logically. How can shuddha chaitanya be sAkshI!
>
> Regards.
>
> On Fri, 31 May, 2024, 6:23 pm H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Namaste.
> >
> > BUB 3-4-1 (Ushastha BrahmaNa) may also be referred. Copying a small part
> >  from the same below.
> >
> > //  वस्तुस्वाभाव्यात् ; किं पुनः तत् वस्तुस्वाभाव्यम् ?
> > दृष्ट्यादिद्रष्टृत्वम् ; दृष्टेर्द्रष्टा ह्यात्मा ; दृष्टिरिति द्विविधा
> > भवति —
> > लौकिकी पारमार्थिकी चेति   //
> >
> > //  vastusvAbhAvyAt ; kiM punaH tat vastusvAbhAvyam ?
> > dRRiShTyAdidraShTRRitvam ; dRRiShTerdraShTA hyAtmA ; dRRiShTiriti
> dvividhA
> > bhavati — laukikI pAramArthikI cheti  //
> >
> > Translation (Swami Madhavananda)  //  What is that ? Its being the
> witness
> > of vision etc. for the self is the witness of vision. Vision is of two
> > kinds, ordinary and real //
> >
> > I have copied only a small part from the Bhashya, just as an introduction
> > to what I posted earlier. In the context of the question raised, it would
> > be very useful and illuminating to study this BrahmaNa ( Ushastha
> > BrahmaNa), having just two mantras, in its entirety.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> >
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> > On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 3:21 PM H S Chandramouli <
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> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Namaste.
> > >
> > > As mentioned in the quote by Jaldhar Ji, dR^ik in Advaita SiddhAnta is
> > > Chaitanya/Atman/Brahman. I am citing below just one quote in respect of
> > > this from Katha Up. It is a followup on 2-2-8 which I have not cited
> > here,
> > > and may be referred to for context.
> > >
> > > Katha Up 2-2-15 //  न तत्र सूर्यो भाति न चन्द्रतारकं नेमा विद्युतो
> भान्ति
> > > कुतोऽयमग्निः ।
> > > तमेव भान्तमनुभाति सर्वं तस्य भासा सर्वमिदं विभाति ॥ १५ ॥  //
> > >
> > > //  na tatra sUryo bhAti na chandratArakaM nemA vidyuto bhAnti
> > > kuto.ayamagniH |
> > >
> > > tameva bhAntamanubhAti sarvaM tasya bhAsA sarvamidaM vibhAti || 15 ||
> //
> > >
> > > Translation (Swami Gambhirananda)  //  There the sun does not shine,
> > > neither do the moon and the stars; nor do these flashes of lightning
> > shine.
> > > How can this fire? He shining, all these shine; through his lustre all
> > > these are variously illumined.  // .
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
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> > > On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 11:10 AM Jaldhar H. Vyas via Advaita-l <
> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Fri, 31 May 2024, Krishna Kashyap via Advaita-l wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > what is the technical definition of Drik in Advaita?
> > >> >
> > >> > is this in drik drishya viveka or in some other text?
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> shrI rAmarAya kavi in his vedAntasaMgraha says:
> > >>
> > >> dR^ik dR^ishyaM dvau padArthau | imAmeva chidAchiditi GYAnaM jaDamiti
> > cha
> > >> vyvaharanti | svaprakAshatve sati svetarasarvAvabhAsakatvaM dR^isho
> > >> lakShaNam | GYeyatvaM dR^shyasya lakShanam |
> > >>
> > >> "The two substances are the seer and the seen.  These are also
> > >> conventionally known as chit[1] and achita[2] and GYAna[3] and
> jaDa[4].
> > >> The definition of the seer is that it illuminates all else being
> > >> self-luminous.  Being the object of Jnana is the definition of seen."
> > >>
> > >> [1] consciousness.
> > >>
> > >> [2] unconsciousness or rather, non-consciousness.
> > >>
> > >> [3] knowledge
> > >>
> > >> [4] inertness
> > >>
> > >> I have left certain words in Sanskrit in the main body of the
> > translation
> > >> and only attempted to give an English definition in footnotes because
> > >> such definitions are inexact. Better to use the proper terms for
> > >> precision.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
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