[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Is pot-abhAva bhAvarUpa

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste Jaishankar Ji,

In terms of Tai Bhashya, wherein it is stated in my understanding, abhAva
including pot abhAva is vikalpa, and hence not bhAvarUpa, how would you
respond in one word whether pot abhAva is bhAvarUpa or not. Yes or no.

Regards

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024, 21:28 Jaishankar Narayanan, <jai1971 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Namaste,
>
> Even in the Taittiriya Upanishad Bhashya Bhasyakara says
>
> प्रध्वंसाभावोऽप्यारभ्यत इति न सम्भवति अभावस्य विशेषाभावाद्विकल्पमात्रमेतत्
> । भावप्रतियोगी ह्यभावः । यथा ह्यभिन्नोऽपि भावो घटपटादिभिर्विशेष्यते भिन्न
> इव घटभावः पटभाव इति, एवं निर्विशेषोऽप्यभावः
> क्रियागुणयोगाद्द्रव्यादिवद्विकल्प्यते । न ह्यभाव उत्पलादिवद्विशेषणसहभावी ।
> विशेषणवत्त्वे भाव एव स्यात् ।
>
> pradhvaṁsābhāvō'pyārabhyata iti na sambhavati abhāvasya
> viśēṣābhāvādvikalpamātramētat । bhāvapratiyōgī hyabhāvaḥ । yathā
> hyabhinnō'pi bhāvō ghaṭapaṭādibhirviśēṣyatē bhinna iva ghaṭabhāvaḥ
> paṭabhāva iti, ēvaṁ nirviśēṣō'pyabhāvaḥ kriyāguṇayōgāddravyādivadvikalpyatē
> । na hyabhāva utpalādivadviśēṣaṇasahabhāvī । viśēṣaṇavattvē bhāva ēva syāt ।
>
> To say that pradhvamsAbhāva, — non-existence of a thing after destruction,
> — is produced is only a play of words, as nothing can be a quality (विशेष)
> of non-existence. Non-existence is indeed only the opposite of existence.
> Just as existence, though one and the same throughout, is yet distinguished
> by cloth, pot, and so on, — e.g., we speak of the existence of a cloth, the
> existence of a pot, and so on, — so also, though abhāva or non-existence is
> in itself devoid of all distinctions, yet it is spoken of as different and
> in association with different acts or qualities as though it were a
> substance etc. Non-existence cannot, indeed, co-exist with attributes as
> the blue lotus co-exists with its attributes. If it were possessed of
> attributes, then it would come under the category of bhava or being.
>
>
> with love and prayers,
>
> Jaishankar
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 7:39 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <
> sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Very well said Raghav ji.
>>
>> I can fully appreciate their difficulty. However, as a sincere seeker,
>> one should never gloss over such fundamental concepts and "move on".
>>
>> Since the first time I read this anumAna, till today, it has consistently
>> appeared to me as one of the most important sections of entire bhAshya.
>>
>> What a remarkable thing -- abhAva is bhAvarUpa.
>>
>> Regards.
>> Sudhanshu Shekhar.
>>
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