[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Is pot-abhAva bhAvarUpa

[H S Chandramouli]

I mean in terms of Tai Bhashya.

Regards

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024, 21:47 H S Chandramouli, <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Jaishankar Ji,
>
> In terms of Tai Bhashya, wherein it is stated in my understanding, abhAva
> including pot abhAva is vikalpa, and hence not bhAvarUpa, how would you
> respond in one word whether pot abhAva is bhAvarUpa or not. Yes or no.
>
> Regards
>
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024, 21:28 Jaishankar Narayanan, <jai1971 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Namaste,
>>
>> Even in the Taittiriya Upanishad Bhashya Bhasyakara says
>>
>> प्रध्वंसाभावोऽप्यारभ्यत इति न सम्भवति अभावस्य
>> विशेषाभावाद्विकल्पमात्रमेतत् । भावप्रतियोगी ह्यभावः । यथा ह्यभिन्नोऽपि भावो
>> घटपटादिभिर्विशेष्यते भिन्न इव घटभावः पटभाव इति, एवं निर्विशेषोऽप्यभावः
>> क्रियागुणयोगाद्द्रव्यादिवद्विकल्प्यते । न ह्यभाव उत्पलादिवद्विशेषणसहभावी ।
>> विशेषणवत्त्वे भाव एव स्यात् ।
>>
>> pradhvaṁsābhāvō'pyārabhyata iti na sambhavati abhāvasya
>> viśēṣābhāvādvikalpamātramētat । bhāvapratiyōgī hyabhāvaḥ । yathā
>> hyabhinnō'pi bhāvō ghaṭapaṭādibhirviśēṣyatē bhinna iva ghaṭabhāvaḥ
>> paṭabhāva iti, ēvaṁ nirviśēṣō'pyabhāvaḥ kriyāguṇayōgāddravyādivadvikalpyatē
>> । na hyabhāva utpalādivadviśēṣaṇasahabhāvī । viśēṣaṇavattvē bhāva ēva syāt ।
>>
>> To say that pradhvamsAbhāva, — non-existence of a thing after
>> destruction, — is produced is only a play of words, as nothing can be a
>> quality (विशेष) of non-existence. Non-existence is indeed only the
>> opposite of existence. Just as existence, though one and the same
>> throughout, is yet distinguished by cloth, pot, and so on, — e.g., we speak
>> of the existence of a cloth, the existence of a pot, and so on, — so also,
>> though abhāva or non-existence is in itself devoid of all distinctions, yet
>> it is spoken of as different and in association with different acts or
>> qualities as though it were a substance etc. Non-existence cannot, indeed,
>> co-exist with attributes as the blue lotus co-exists with its attributes.
>> If it were possessed of attributes, then it would come under the category
>> of bhava or being.
>>
>>
>> with love and prayers,
>>
>> Jaishankar
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 7:39 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <
>> sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Very well said Raghav ji.
>>>
>>> I can fully appreciate their difficulty. However, as a sincere seeker,
>>> one should never gloss over such fundamental concepts and "move on".
>>>
>>> Since the first time I read this anumAna, till today, it has
>>> consistently appeared to me as one of the most important sections of entire
>>> bhAshya.
>>>
>>> What a remarkable thing -- abhAva is bhAvarUpa.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Sudhanshu Shekhar.
>>>
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