[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Re: Bhagavad Gita - As it actually is | Sanatana Dharma | Sri Shankara Bhagavatpada & Bhakti | Sringeri

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste Bhaskar Ji,

Reg  // Exists in Ishwara means mAyA is his own svarUpa, mama svarUpa mAya
declares Lord.  This means mAyA is ananya from brahman.  This ananyatvaM
only describes the sarvAtmabhAva, samyaK drushti.  sA shaktiH brahmaiva
ahaM shakti shaktimatOH ananyatvAt..says Lord in geeta.  It is in this
sense I have said prakruti is eternally existing in Ishwara //,

I had thought of continuing with this in the other thread. But since we are
partially through this here, I will complete it here with my understanding
of your citation from BG 14-27, which sentiment you have repeated quite
often in your earlier posts as well. My understanding of this citation is
very different. It does not posit ananyatvam as between Brahman and mAyA.
On the other hand, it presents Shuddha Brahman and Iswara as ananya.

BGB  14-27 // … यया च ईश्वरशक्त्या भक्तानुग्रहादिप्रयोजनाय ब्रह्म प्रतिष्ठते
 प्रवर्तते, सा शक्तिः ब्रह्मैव अहम् , शक्तिशक्तिमतोः अनन्यत्वात्
इत्यभिप्रायः । //

// …..yayA cha IshvarashaktyA bhaktAnugrahAdiprayojanAya brahma
pratiShThate pravartate, sA shaktiH brahmaiva aham , shaktishaktimatoH
ananyatvAt ityabhiprAyaH | //

Translation (Prof Mahadeva Shastri)  //  …..The  meaning of the passage may
be explanined as follows : It is through His Isvara·Sakti,---through the
power He has to manifest Himself as Isvara or the Lord  of the
universe---that Brahman shews His grace to His devotees, and so on. I am
only that power or Sakti in manifestation,  and am therefore Brahman
Himself ; for Sakti---power, potentiality, energy---cannot be  distinct
from  the one in  whom it inheres  //.

Translation (Sri  SSS in kannada)  // …. ಮತ್ತು ಯಾವ ಈಶ್ವರಶಕ್ತಿಯಿಂದ ಭಕ್ತರಿಗೆ
ಅನುಗ್ರಹವನ್ನು ಮಾಡುವದೇ ಮುಂತಾದ ಪ್ರಯೋಜನಕ್ಕಾಗಿ ಬ್ರಹ್ಮವು ಪ್ರತಿಷ್ಠತೇ ಮುಂಬರಿಯುವದೋ ಆ
ಶಕ್ತಿಯಾದ ಬ್ರಹ್ಮವೇ ನಾನು ; ಏಕೆಂದರೆ ಶಕ್ತಿ, ಶಕ್ತಿಯುಳ್ಳ (ಬ್ರಹ್ಮ) - ಇವೆರಡೂ
ಬೇರೆ(ಬೇರೆ)ಯಲ್ಲ ಎಂದು ಅಭಿಪ್ರಾಯ.

Foot Note 5 ;;  'ಬ್ರಹ್ಮಕ್ಕೆ ನಾನು ಪ್ರತಿಷ್ಠೆಯು' ಎಂಬ ವಾಕ್ಯಕ್ಕೆ ಪ್ರತ್ಯಗಾತ್ಮನೇ
ಬ್ರಹ್ಮವೆಂದು ಶಾಸ್ತ್ರದಿಂದ ನಿಶ್ಚಿತವಾಗುವದು ಎಂದು ಅರ್ಥವನ್ನು ಮಾಡಿತ್ತು. ಈಗ ಬ್ರಹ್ಮದ
ಪ್ರತಿಷ್ಠೆಯು, ಎಂದರೆ ಶಕ್ತಿಯು ನಾನೇ ; ಬೆಂಕಿಯ ಬಿಸಿಯಂತೆ ಬ್ರಹ್ಮವೂ ಶಕ್ತಿಯೂ
ಅಭಿನ್ನವಾಗಿರುತ್ತವ - ಎಂದು ಅರ್ಥವನ್ನು ಮಾಡಿದ //.

Kannada translation of Sri SSS practically reflects the same meaning as the
English translation of  Prof Mahadeva Shastri copied above.

Hence it is not correct, in my understanding, to conclude from this quote
that ** Exists in Ishwara means mAyA is his own svarUpa, mama svarUpa mAya
declares Lord.  This means mAyA is ananya from brahman **.

Regards

On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 4:40 PM 'Bhaskar YR' via advaitin <
advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:

> In continuation, as a clarification, Prakriti is always available with and
> to iswara for deployment in any way He deems fit. I am not sure what
> exactly you mean by ** exists in Ishwara **.
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> praNAms Sri ChandramouLi prabhuji
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> Hare Krishna
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> Exists in Ishwara means mAyA is his own svarUpa, mama svarUpa mAya
> declares Lord.  This means mAyA is ananya from brahman.  This ananyatvaM
> only describes the sarvAtmabhAva, samyaK drushti.  sA shaktiH brahmaiva
> ahaM shakti shaktimatOH ananyatvAt..says Lord in geeta.  It is in this
> sense I have said prakruti is eternally existing in Ishwara, before
> creation and after pralaya in avyAkruta rUpa and during sthiti in vyAkruta
> rUpa.  Like veda-s having pravAha nityatva, prakruti too having pariNAmi
> nityatva in Ishwara / brahman.
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> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
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> bhaskar
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