[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Re: Bhagavad Gita - As it actually is | Sanatana Dharma | Sri Shankara Bhagavatpada & Bhakti | Sringeri

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste.

In continuation, while the translation of the main body of the kannada
version of Sri SSS cited earlier corresponds to the English version of Prof
Mahadeva Shastri, there could be some different understandings of the Foot
Note by Sri SSS. Hence I am giving  translation  of the Foot Note also to
avoid any controversies later.

Foot Note by Sri SSS (English translation, mine) //  Previously it was
ascertained  from Shastra that  the meaning for the sentence ** ब्रह्मणो हि
प्रतिष्ठाहम  (brahmaNo hi pratiShThAham) **  (in the verse 14-27) to be  **
 PratyagAtman is Brahman **. Now  its meaning is ascertained as  **
Brahma’s pratiShTha , meaning Shakti, is Myself ; akin to heat of Fire,
Brahma and Shakti are abhinna ** //.

In the above, ** previously ** means the first (immediately preceding)
 version presented in the Bhashya.

Regards.

On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 6:33 PM H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Bhaskar Ji,
>
> Reg  // Exists in Ishwara means mAyA is his own svarUpa, mama svarUpa
> mAya declares Lord.  This means mAyA is ananya from brahman.  This
> ananyatvaM only describes the sarvAtmabhAva, samyaK drushti.  sA shaktiH
> brahmaiva ahaM shakti shaktimatOH ananyatvAt..says Lord in geeta.  It is in
> this sense I have said prakruti is eternally existing in Ishwara //,
>
> I had thought of continuing with this in the other thread. But since we
> are partially through this here, I will complete it here with my
> understanding of your citation from BG 14-27, which sentiment you have
> repeated quite often in your earlier posts as well. My understanding of
> this citation is very different. It does not posit ananyatvam as between
> Brahman and mAyA. On the other hand, it presents Shuddha Brahman and Iswara
> as ananya.
>
> BGB  14-27 // … यया च ईश्वरशक्त्या भक्तानुग्रहादिप्रयोजनाय ब्रह्म
> प्रतिष्ठते प्रवर्तते, सा शक्तिः ब्रह्मैव अहम् , शक्तिशक्तिमतोः अनन्यत्वात्
>  इत्यभिप्रायः । //
>
> // …..yayA cha IshvarashaktyA bhaktAnugrahAdiprayojanAya brahma
> pratiShThate pravartate, sA shaktiH brahmaiva aham , shaktishaktimatoH
> ananyatvAt ityabhiprAyaH | //
>
> Translation (Prof Mahadeva Shastri)  //  …..The  meaning of the passage
> may be explanined as follows : It is through His Isvara·Sakti,---through
> the power He has to manifest Himself as Isvara or the Lord  of the
> universe---that Brahman shews His grace to His devotees, and so on. I am
> only that power or Sakti in manifestation,  and am therefore Brahman
> Himself ; for Sakti---power, potentiality, energy---cannot be  distinct
> from  the one in  whom it inheres  //.
>
> Translation (Sri  SSS in kannada)  // …. ಮತ್ತು ಯಾವ ಈಶ್ವರಶಕ್ತಿಯಿಂದ
> ಭಕ್ತರಿಗೆ ಅನುಗ್ರಹವನ್ನು ಮಾಡುವದೇ ಮುಂತಾದ ಪ್ರಯೋಜನಕ್ಕಾಗಿ ಬ್ರಹ್ಮವು ಪ್ರತಿಷ್ಠತೇ
> ಮುಂಬರಿಯುವದೋ ಆ ಶಕ್ತಿಯಾದ ಬ್ರಹ್ಮವೇ ನಾನು ; ಏಕೆಂದರೆ ಶಕ್ತಿ, ಶಕ್ತಿಯುಳ್ಳ (ಬ್ರಹ್ಮ)
> - ಇವೆರಡೂ ಬೇರೆ(ಬೇರೆ)ಯಲ್ಲ ಎಂದು ಅಭಿಪ್ರಾಯ.
>
> Foot Note 5 ;;  'ಬ್ರಹ್ಮಕ್ಕೆ ನಾನು ಪ್ರತಿಷ್ಠೆಯು' ಎಂಬ ವಾಕ್ಯಕ್ಕೆ ಪ್ರತ್ಯಗಾತ್ಮನೇ
> ಬ್ರಹ್ಮವೆಂದು ಶಾಸ್ತ್ರದಿಂದ ನಿಶ್ಚಿತವಾಗುವದು ಎಂದು ಅರ್ಥವನ್ನು ಮಾಡಿತ್ತು. ಈಗ ಬ್ರಹ್ಮದ
> ಪ್ರತಿಷ್ಠೆಯು, ಎಂದರೆ ಶಕ್ತಿಯು ನಾನೇ ; ಬೆಂಕಿಯ ಬಿಸಿಯಂತೆ ಬ್ರಹ್ಮವೂ ಶಕ್ತಿಯೂ
> ಅಭಿನ್ನವಾಗಿರುತ್ತವ - ಎಂದು ಅರ್ಥವನ್ನು ಮಾಡಿದ //.
>
> Kannada translation of Sri SSS practically reflects the same meaning as
> the English translation of  Prof Mahadeva Shastri copied above.
>
> Hence it is not correct, in my understanding, to conclude from this quote
> that ** Exists in Ishwara means mAyA is his own svarUpa, mama svarUpa
> mAya declares Lord.  This means mAyA is ananya from brahman **.
>
> Regards
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 4:40 PM 'Bhaskar YR' via advaitin <
> advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> In continuation, as a clarification, Prakriti is always available with
>> and to iswara for deployment in any way He deems fit. I am not sure what
>> exactly you mean by ** exists in Ishwara **.
>>
>>
>>
>> praNAms Sri ChandramouLi prabhuji
>>
>> Hare Krishna
>>
>>
>>
>> Exists in Ishwara means mAyA is his own svarUpa, mama svarUpa mAya
>> declares Lord.  This means mAyA is ananya from brahman.  This ananyatvaM
>> only describes the sarvAtmabhAva, samyaK drushti.  sA shaktiH brahmaiva
>> ahaM shakti shaktimatOH ananyatvAt..says Lord in geeta.  It is in this
>> sense I have said prakruti is eternally existing in Ishwara, before
>> creation and after pralaya in avyAkruta rUpa and during sthiti in vyAkruta
>> rUpa.  Like veda-s having pravAha nityatva, prakruti too having pariNAmi
>> nityatva in Ishwara / brahman.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>>
>> bhaskar
>>
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