[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Deep Sleep is Nondual Self with objections refuted, SSSS

[Raghav Kumar Dwivedula]

My apologies - it should have read

Namaste Jaishankar ji

🙏🏼



On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 at 4:01 PM, Raghav Kumar Dwivedula <
raghavkumar00 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Namaste Jaishankar
> It’s interesting to see that you are being advised to study SSS but those
> who view bhAShya purely from SSS point of view will not study PSA Acharyas.
>
> All agree bhAShya is ultimate.
>
> But why would any sane modern student of bhAShya study SSS before studying
> PSA?
>
> If someone after studying bhAShya and PSA acharyas, still feels some
> curiosity and has excess of time, sure he/she might study SSS.
>
> Om
> Raghav
>
>
>
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 at 9:56 PM, Jaishankar Narayanan via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Namaste Bhaskar ji,
>>
>> If you agree avidya 'exists' in sushupti then we are in agreement as,
>> whatever exists is bhAvarupa. So there is no need to castigate the
>> acharyas
>> in the parampara after Shankara. I don't have any doubts in the knowledge
>> which was handed down to me by my Guru. So, I have no motivation to read
>> any works of SSSS other than to refute whatever is written there, which
>> will be vitanda and which I am not interested in. If what is said by SSSS
>> makes sense to you then it is fine with me. It does not make any sense to
>> me though.
>>
>> with love and prayers,
>> Jaishankar
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2025 at 10:44 AM 'Bhaskar YR' via advaitin <
>> advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Humble praNAms Sri Acharya Jaishankar prabhuji
>> >
>> > Hare Krishna
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > In addition to what Subbu ji has mentioned the following clearly point
>> out
>> > that Sushupti is not what is claimed by SSSS and his followers.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ø     It can be noted that Sri SSS did not say take sleeping pills, go
>> to
>> > sushupti and get mOksha either 😊 Sri SSS does speak about existence of
>> > avidyA in sushupti as well that too based on bhAshya itself but NOT in
>> the
>> > sense mUlavidyAvAdins.  The definition of beeja rUpa avidyA in sushupti,
>> > drastically differs from what mUlavidyAvAdins say and what bhAshyakAra
>> > offers!!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 1. Bhashyakara clearly talks about a kArana-sharIra in Ishavasya
>> Upanishad
>> > Bhasya for the 8th mantra
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  शुद्धं निर्मलमविद्यामलरहितमिति कारणशरीरप्रतिषेधः ।
>> >
>> >  śuddhaṃ nirmalamavidyāmalarahitamiti kāraṇaśarīrapratiṣedhaḥ ।
>> >
>> > Pure, without any taint/dirt, without the taint of avidyA/ignorance, the
>> > kArana-sharIra (causal body) negation
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2. In Brhadaranyaka 4.4.34 Bhashya it is clearly stated that sleep is
>> only
>> > a drshtAnta (analogy) for moksha and the next prakarana is started to
>> show
>> > moksha which is the daarshtaantika (that which is revealed through an
>> > analogy).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > तत्र च बुद्धान्तात् स्वप्नान्तरम् अयमात्मा अनुप्रवेशितः ; तस्मात्
>> > सम्प्रसादस्थानं मोक्षदृष्टान्तभूतम् ; ततः प्राच्यव्य बुद्धान्ते
>> > संसारव्यवहारः प्रदर्शयितव्य इति तेन अस्य सम्बन्धः
>> >
>> > tatra ca buddhāntāt svapnāntaram ayamātmā anupraveśitaḥ ; tasmāt
>> > samprasādasthānaṃ mokṣadṛṣṭāntabhūtam ; tataḥ prācyavya buddhānte
>> > saṃsāravyavahāraḥ pradarśayitavya iti tena asya sambandhaḥ
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 3. If sleep has no difference with moksha why even call it a state of
>> > experience and talk about atmasvarUpa as turIya. Instead mAndukya
>> > Upandishad should have named Atma as tritIya.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ø     All these have been successfully dealt by Sri SSS in his works.
>> > His works like gaudapAda hrudaya, bruhadAraNyaka upanyAsa maNjari,
>> maNdUkya
>> > rahasya vivrutti, avasthAtraya Chandrika comprehensively address these
>> very
>> > issues.  And how the sushupti avasthA has been viewed from different
>> > standpoints.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I have not seen proper answer for these from SSSS followers. They keep
>> > repeating quotations which shows the similarity of sleep with moksha as
>> > though it answers the above questions.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ø     When you have Sri SSS works at your disposal why do you want to
>> > listen to his followers??  Give it a try to atleast understand his view
>> > point from his own works.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>> >
>> > bhaskar
>> >
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