[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Atman and Witness - transcending

[Raghav Kumar Dwivedula]

Namaste Bhaskar ji
sAxitva is an upAdhi

That's Advaita 101 surely.

Sudhanshu ji was clearly mentioning sAkshitva as avidyAkRta. He did not say
sAxI is avidyAkRta.

Michael ji too reiterated the same viz., that witnesshood is avidyAkRta.

Not sure why that triggered the usual words of bhAShya-viruddha, shuShka
tarka (ie inconvenient logical truths),' later vyAkhyAna-kAras' etc etc etc.


Om
Raghav



On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 at 10:39 AM, Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

>
> So, sAkshi-tva is not and cannot be the swarUpa of Atman as it is
> avidyA-krita.
>
> So, the ultimate truth which the Atman is, has to be transcendental to the
> sAkshI (unattached witness).
>
> SAkshI is defined as avidyA-upahita-chaitanya whereas Atman is chaitanya.
>
> praNAms
> Hare Krishna
>
> All the above three statements as usual go against bhAshyavachana and
> holding ‘some’ vyAkhyAna as authority for this.  As per bhAshyakAra and
> shruti, ‘sAkshi’ is upanishanmAtra vedya, he is Chaitanya and ekaH as per
> shruti (sAkshi chetaH, kevalO nirguNascha), sAkshi is NOT avidyA upahita
> Chaitanya he is kevala Chaitanya and sAkshi is its svarUpa, ahaM
> pratyayavishaya kartru vyaterekeNa tatsAkshee, sarva bhUtasthaH, samaH,
> ekaH, kOtastha nityaH, this asaMsAri Atma is aupanishad purusha.  He is not
> different in different pramAtru-s to declare sAkshi is avidyAkruta or
> aneka.  And more importantly sAkshi svarUpa cannot be deduced by mere
> shushka tarka or through some pramANa  or giving some mundane examples
> because of the simple fact he is the witness to even these mental
> jugglery.  He is sAkshi, svayaM siddha whether there is anything to be
> witnessed or not.  And this sAkshi is manasOpi manaH clarifies bhAshyakAra
> elsewhere.
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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