[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Atman and Witness - transcending

[V Subrahmanian]

On Sat, Mar 22, 2025 at 6:38 AM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste Subbuji
>
> The word dRshyatvAt in your quoted passage as also the basic vyutpatti of
> kshetraM jAnAti iti kshetrajna would indicate that the primary meaning is
> the jnAtA, pramAtA, sAxI which in this context would mean the same.
>
> The kartA and subsequent jIva roles etc., would be only of secondary
> implication not the primary meaning of kshetrajna, at least in this
> context.
>
> This is my understanding
>

Yes, Raghav ji, only then the next shloka declaration of 'Kshetrajna is
Brahman', mahavakya, would be fitting.

>
> Om
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 at 11:06 PM, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 7:25 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <
> > sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Namaste Subbu ji
> > >
> > > I would like to add that in the 13 chapter of the Geeta Bhagwan says
> that
> > >> the witness of the body is kshetratrajna.
> > >>
> > >
> > > I think when Bhagvan says this, He means jIva and not witness. So, He
> has
> > > kartA, bhOkta, jIva as the meaning of kshetrajna-1.
> > >
> >
> > In the Bhashya to that first shloka, Shankara specifies:
> >
> > एतत् शरीरं क्षेत्रं यः* वेत्ति विजानाति, आपादतलमस्तकं ज्ञानेन
> विषयीकरोति*,
> > स्वाभाविकेन औपदेशिकेन वा वेदनेन विषयीकरोति विभागशः, तं वेदितारं प्राहुः
> > कथयन्ति क्षेत्रज्ञः इति |
> >
> > The one who objectifies the body-mind-complex is Kshetrajna.
> >
> > Anandagiri explains: स्वाभाविकं ‘मनुष्योऽहम् ‘ इति ज्ञानम् ,  औपदेशिकम्
> > ‘देहो नाऽत्मा दृष्यत्वात् ‘इत्यादिविभागशः - स्वतोऽतिरिक्तत्वेन इत्यर्थः ।
> >
> > regards
> > subbu
> >
> > >
> > > Immediately He says that that witness in every body is Me that is
> > bramhan.
> > >>
> > >
> > > So, it is like tat tvam asi. Tat is kshetrajna-2 (Ishwara/sAkshI) and
> > > kshetrajna-1 is jIva.
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > > Sudhanshu Shekhar.
> > >
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