mAyA and jIvA (was Re: Hindu Trinity)

[Ashish Chandra]

>From: Rajiv Malhotra <rajiv.malhotra at WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
>
>But who sustains this illusion? If it's a separate being, then there is
>dualism.

Its strictly not an illusion (if I am not mistaken about the Advaita
position that is). It is mAyA, and that is not simply an illusion. It is
anirvAchanIya and anAdi, subject to the four-fold negation/attribute of
niether being, nor not-being, not either, nor both. There is nothing more
that can be said about it.

>So it is us, except not as the identity we assume to have at this point.
>Imagine an actor who lost his true identity having got totally immersed in
>his role. But he does not cease to be who he really is, EVEN IF HE MAY NOT
>BELIEVE IT. Upon realizing, i.e. waking up, he understand that he NEVER was
>anything else. So enlightenment or moksha is not an ontological change,
>merely an epistemic one.
>
>Rajiv
>

This describes the jivA, not mAyA. jivA does not sustain the illusion,
rather, it is subject to it.

ashish
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> Please visit
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> http://www.Eprarthana.com
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> This site a big gallery of pictures.
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> It has vitual puuja, detailed list of festivals, daily
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Sri Ramana Maharshi in Upadesa Saaram says,

" Isha Jeevayo Veshadhibhida.
  Sath Swabhavatho vasthu kevalam ".

" Ishwara and Jeeva are different only  in  their manifestations.
  In their real essence they are the same ".

Sri Hanuman says to Ramachandra Bhagavan,

"Dehabudhyai tho daasosmi jeevabudhyai twadhamshakaha .
 Atmabudhyai twamevoham ithi mai nischithamathihi . "

" If I am body conscious then I am your servant, If I am soul consicious, then I am
  your part. If I am conscious of my Self , then I am you , this is my firm conviction ".

Anand

P.S. The above slokas were written from memory and I think they are OK.
          If  any errors, please correct.


On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:55:50   Ashish Chandra wrote:
>>From: Rajiv Malhotra <rajiv.malhotra at WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
>>
>>But who sustains this illusion? If it's a separate being, then there is
>>dualism.
>
>Its strictly not an illusion (if I am not mistaken about the Advaita
>position that is). It is mAyA, and that is not simply an illusion. It is
>anirvAchanIya and anAdi, subject to the four-fold negation/attribute of
>niether being, nor not-being, not either, nor both. There is nothing more
>that can be said about it.
>
>>So it is us, except not as the identity we assume to have at this point.
>>Imagine an actor who lost his true identity having got totally immersed in
>>his role. But he does not cease to be who he really is, EVEN IF HE MAY NOT
>>BELIEVE IT. Upon realizing, i.e. waking up, he understand that he NEVER was
>>anything else. So enlightenment or moksha is not an ontological change,
>>merely an epistemic one.
>>
>


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