[Advaita-l] 2 questions

[Vishy]

Yes, unless we drop ourselves completely we cant realize the real self. Completely meaning even what we acquiered in the name of knowledge. When 'You" are not there where ' your' knowledge can be!! When you drop your self completely what remains is 'Krisna' himself. . Than whatever you say would be as good as Geetha, why as good as " it would be 'The Geetha' itself. As long as you use borrowed
knowledge you cant be authentic. Unless you are authentic you cant be your trueself. Perhaps with what you gained thru such an acquiered knowledge you can understand  about the truth and not the truth itself.
 
Regards
Vishwanath


--- On Tue, 12/8/08, Marko Gregoric <markogregori at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Marko Gregoric <markogregori at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] 2 questions
To: "subramanya.uh" <subramanya.uh at in.yokogawa.com>, "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 10:57 AM

My friend

To realize your real nature  you have to forget everything you've
heard or read in your entire life. That which remains is qualityless.

Regards
Marko

On 8/11/08, subramanya.uh <subramanya.uh at in.yokogawa.com> wrote:
> Dear Marko,
> Bhagavan Krishna declares in Bhagavadgita
> manushyANAm sahasrEshu kashcit yatati siddhayE
> yatamapi siddhAnAm kashcit mAm vEtti tatvataha||7-3||
> One in thousands of men perchance strives for perfection. and one
perchance
> among the blessed ones striving thus knows me in reality.
> That means one in  a million realizes me, that is also rare. Once realized
> he becomes Brahman ( Brahmavit brahmaiva bhavati).
> You may be one in a million who is realized.
> But
> You don't seem to be realized since Bhagavan Shankara in his Viveka
> Chudamani explains the features of Brahma in 10 stanzas starting from
verse
> No. 264. As the length of this  posting will increase if all are quoted
with
> meanings,(Members are requested to refer to original text especially Mr.
> Marko).  I will give reference of first verse with its meaning;
> jAti nIti kula gOtra dUragam, nAma rUpa guNa dOsha varjitam
> dEshakAla vishayAtivartiyad brahmatatvamasi bhAvayAtmani
> meaning
> That which is beyond caste and creed, family and lineage, devoid of name
and
> form, merit and demerits, transcending space , time and sense objects that
> brahman art thou , meditate on this in thy mind.
> Thus different features of Brahman are explained vividly for meditation.
> It seems you don't have any of such attributes explained in these 10
verses
> and hence the group members are trying to say " If any one claims
that he is
> realized, he is not" and this one is a Upanishadic statement, I
don't
> remember the source, I have heard in one of the lectures.
> Remember that birds will flock at Mango groves when fruits are ripe and
the
> Tree never invites them. Hence no one needs to prove!
> Hats off Mr Marko, if you really realized.
> Your comments are welcome after you read all these ten verses and
> understanding them deeply.
> Best wishes and regards
> Subrahmanya UH
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marko Gregoric" <markogregori at gmail.com>
> To: <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>; "A discussion group for Advaita
Vedanta"
> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 2:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] 2 questions
>
>
>> My dear Sadananda,
>>
>> here we go again ; ))
>>
>>
>>
>> "Hence any statement that I am self realized - makes one comedown
from
>> self-realization."
>>
>> Believe me, once you are there, nothing makes you comedown anymore, I
>> don't
>> know how to explain it, no statement of mine, of yours or of other
people
>> can even touch that. If I say I am self realized I am just saying it
>> because I am so happy that it happened, no more than that. I see no
Maya
>> anywhere, and I know all my spiritual searchings and sadhana are
finished.
>>
>> I
>> feel it happend more by grace than by my efforts. Acctually when my
>> efforts
>> to undestand were finished it happened. I have no idea how.
>>
>>
>> "Hence as Sanaani stated no sage ever declares that I am realized
other
>> than
>> to his teacher, perhaps, as confirmation of his correct understanding
of
>> the
>> truth."
>>
>> I am not pretending being a sage or a teacher or a man of immense
>> compassion, I am just a normal man who is trying to do the best for
his
>> family, friends and society. I will tell you more than that. I am able
to
>> hate people, to spend time in gossip, to desire lots of money and so
on.
>> So
>> I am definitely not something special in any aspect. I just know it is
>> there, it is like a feeling of something quiet and magic at the same
time
>> which is with you all the time and never leaves you. I am sincere
100%.
>>
>>
>> enjoy!
>>
>>
>> Marko
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