[Advaita-l] Fw: Re: waking, dreaming, sleeping, as mutually supportive
anbesivam2 at gmail.com
Tue Oct 20 12:26:56 CDT 2009
Quote: "This has nothing to do with modern secular ideas of equality, but it
has everything to do with developing the qualities needed for a mumukshu.
Please read the prose chapters of upadeSasAhasrI to get Sankara
bhagavatpAda's own words on the subject."
This is truly arbitrary and out of hand rejection of a view of guna-karma
vibhagam that is held fundamental to the Hindu view. I hope you have had
time to read my fully delineated rendition in my musings posted in this
forum on this subject of Guna in relation to the secular views.
I have also said that varnas are universal but conforming to one's own
dharma is at one's own option that would bring them paapa and punya. *Thus
there are Brahmanas for example in all the three worlds not merely
Bharathavarsha.* So many people, in and out of Bharathavarsha, do not
follow their dharma. Is this not a fact?
*Mumukshuthwam does not come about if a person does not conform to his
dharma.* Not following would automatically disqualify a Brahmin who has
given a goodbye to his dharma. Usurpation of another person's dharma is
asuric in nature and our puranaas and ithihaasas illustrate how God meted
out punishments to them. Do we ignore this and say everyone can do whatever
Why would anyone want to talk of Sanyasa Aashrama if he would separate it
from varna? Where would anyone who is fond of quoting scriptures and
bhaashyas find authority for such convenient separation? Secualrism neither
recognizes varna nor aashrama. Secularism holds the view that all have
equal ability (which is only a politically correct statement and not
factual) and all are capable of doing anything given equal chances (whether
the possibility of provision of such equal chances anywhere is another
question). Is it not a fact?
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <
svidyasankar at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Quote: "Turning the mind inwards does not come easy, which is why we have
> > all the different karmas and
> > upAsanas."
> > This is again a statement coming out of affliction from secular ideas of
> > equality of all men. Our fold fold varna dharma separates the people on
> > basis of their guNa visesham. Any appeal to the mind is made to the
> > Brahmanas only for they are the ones destined to leave dehaabimaanam that
> > starts with the abandonment of karma. To other varnas such advice to
> > dehaabimaanam is forbidden. The other three varnas are needed for the
> > stability, security and well-being of the society by their karmas.
> I cannot presume to speak for anybody else, but I think this varNASrama
> is quite peripheral to the Atman being described as the nearest and the
> away from human ken at the same time.
> There is no guarantee to anyone that turning the mind inwards will come
> Please read the bhAshya on the kaThopanishat verse "parA~nci khAni vyatRNat
> svayambhUs tasmAt parA^N paSyati nAntarAtman"
> In fact, it seems to me that the pride in being born a brAhmaNa can often
> greatly detrimental to many who aspire for moksha. Such a birth ultimately
> pertains to the current deha alone and it can itself be a great obstacle in
> leaving that dehAbhimAna. This has nothing to do with modern secular ideas
> of equality, but it has everything to do with developing the qualities
> for a mumukshu. Please read the prose chapters of upadeSasAhasrI to get
> Sankara bhagavatpAda's own words on the subject.
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