[Advaita-l] Real vs. Unreal

[Rajaram Venkataramani]

On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Nithin Sridhar
<sridhar.nithin at gmail.com>wrote:

> The Jnani's do not perceive World as separate than Brahman. They perceive
> Brahman itself in all objects. Isha Up says "Yastu sarva bhutani atmanyeva
> anupashyati". A Jnani perceives all objects as his very Self and his Self
> in all objects.
>
> About the example of Shivering, you are stretching the example beyond its
> scope. The example only meant, even after the perception of snake is
> removed by perception of rope, the shivering lingers. Similarly, even after
> removal of Avidya and attainment of Jnana, a trace of Avidya-Avidya Lesha
> in the form of Prarabda Karma remains.So, the example is only meant to
> point out through anecdote the lingering of trace of Avidya. Whether
> sustratum mind is destroyed or not is not issue. Even if it is considered
> an issue, even then, Brahman who is substratum of whole Jagat exist.
>
>  This has been stated clearly even by Badarayana who says, the dawn of
> Jnana leads to destruction of past and future karmas but the Prarabda
> remains.


RV: The mind is a product of ajnAnA just as indriyAs and jagat are. jnAnA
is to realise the only reality Brahman and the non-reality of not only the
jagat but of manas and indriyAs also. How can you, after destruction of
ajnAna and rise of jnAna, perceive anything? What is there to see? You
cannot say that I will see the world as brahman when the realisation that
non-existence of the world has dawned on you.