[Advaita-l] Please answer to this
kuntimaddi sadananda
kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com
Tue Oct 20 08:58:33 CDT 2015
Chandramouliji - Yes. Swami Paramarthanandaji did indicated that there are apparently 16 samaanadhikaranas. The four that were mentioned here are apparently discussed by Shankara in his Brahma sutra bhashya - not remember where exactly. I think the sixteen samaanaadhikaranas were discussed in the other list by Kennith or so, and it may be available in the archives. If I find it I will post it here.
The lakshnaas - jahat, ajahat and jahat ajahat lakshanas were discussed by Sadananda yogindra in his Vedanta saara.
About Ghataaksaasha - currently we just finished discussing the Avachcheda vaada and Abhaasa vaada - in relation to Jiiva in the Vichaarasaagara class. I am planning to write on it sometime soon. That may also be pertinent in terms of bhaamati vs vivarana schools, since avachchedavaada is attributed to Mandana Misra and Abhaasavaada to Sureswara, vidyaranya, etc. although Shankara does not endorse either one, but uses both arguments.
As Subbuji pointed that the fundamentals - 1. Brahma satyam 2. Jagan mithyaa 3. JivaH brahma eva na aparaH - forms the basic tenets of Advaita Vedanta that all aacharyas subscribe. The rest are only considered as prakriyas that help to understand the mahaavaakyas. Shaastras do not discuss these - only acharyas discuss these to extract tatparya as Subbuji indicated.
Hari Om!
Sadananda
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On Tue, 10/20/15, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Please answer to this
To: "kuntimaddi sadananda" <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>, "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2015, 9:19 AM
Sri
Sadananda Ji,
Sri
Bhagavatpada also uses Mukhya Samaanaadhikaranam apart from
Badha Samaanaadhikaranam to explain tat
tvam asi by way of the classic illustration of Ghatakasha
and Mahakasha. Just a passing
observation.
I have heard Sri Paramarthananda
Swamiji discuss Samaanaadhikaranam in some other context , not the
one you have mentioned. I think he covered both the above
in that context under the fourth category by calling it
Lakshya Lakshana Samaanaadhikaranam. I am recalling
from memory and could be wrong. But an interesting point he
made was that one scholar has listed as many as sixteen
types of Samaanaadhikaranams and that he (
Sri SP ) was only covering four of them in the talk. Just as
supplementary info.
Regards and
Pranams
.
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at
9:06 AM, kuntimaddi sadananda via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
wrote:
Shree
Venkataraghavan- PraNAms
Shruti itself has both bheda vaakyaas and abheda vaakyaas.
Shankara takes abheda vaakyaas as primary and bheda vaakyaas
as secondary. While Ramanuja takes the other way around.
Both accept that Brahman is both material and intelligent
cause. Only Dwaita does not accept that.
Both Ramanuja and Shankara use samaanaadhikara to account
tat tvam asi statements. Ramanujauses visheshana
visheshyaabhyam samaanaadhikaranam while Shankara uses
bhaadaayam samaanaadhikaranam.
Madhva uses some sources which are not really accessible to
any body to justify his stand.
Just a note
Hari Om!
Sadananda
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On Mon, 10/19/15, Venkatraghavan
S via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Please answer to this
To: "A discussion group for Advaita
Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>,
"Harsha Bhat" <harsha9519 at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, October 19, 2015, 1:36 PM
Sri Harsha,
What difference does it possibly make? Whether
someone wins a debate or
not, how is that
going to help?
I for one am
not a historian, so I cannot say who won, or even if a
debate
took place, but frankly I don't
care.
However one thing is
for sure - it is absolutely evident that advaita
siddhAnta stems directly from shruti.
Therefore, even if some clever person
wins a
debate today, someone cleverer can come tomorrow to
disprove
him,
but as long as his siddhAnta is at odds
with vedA it cannot be right.
However, a shruti based siddhAnta can never be
disproved, because of the
very fact that it
comes from the VedA.
Therefore I'm not so interested to know the
history of the debate, what I'm
concerned with is to understand the shruti
established advaita siddhAnta
correctly.
Regards,
Venkatraghavan
On 15 Oct 2015
17:14, "Harsha Bhat via Advaita-l" <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
wrote:
> And one more
point I forgot to mention,
>
>
>
That madhva pandith also said that
even
> shankaracharya lost in debate with
vedavyasa,he also adds that ,
> even in
some shankara vijaya says that adi shankara lost in
debate
with
> vedavyasa.
>
>
> So,please tell me
whether in any shankara vijaya there is a topic of
> shankaracharya losing debate with
vedavyasa?
>
> Or it
is also one among maadhva's crooked up stories?
>
> Any knowledgeable
person,please answer....
>
>
> regards,
> Harsha Bhat
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Srirudra
<srirudra at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> >
Dear
> > Whether should replace
weather.This type of mistaken spellings are
> > provided by the iPad .So one should
be careful while forwarding the
> >
mail.R.Krishnamoorthy.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On
15-Oct-2015, at 7:46 PM, Harsha Bhat via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
wrote:
> > >
>
> > Namaskara,
> > >
> > >
> > >
1) Madhvas are very famous for loose talk and
they
always down
> grade
>
> > other philosophy and its acharyas.
> > >
> >
>
> > > When talking about this
with a famous madhva pandith,he said not only
> we
> > > madhvas
,advaithis also down grade madhvas.
>
> >
> > > He said vidhyaranya
called madhvachrya as madhu named devil. Which
> comes
> > in
> > > soura purana.
> > >
> > >
Weather it is true?
> > >
> > > Weather vidhyaranya called
madhva as madhu named devil?
> > >
If so,where ? in which book?
> >
>
> > >
>
> > Please reply ,so that I can answer him...
> > >
> >
> 2) And also,he said vidhyaranya got
defeated by akshobhya theertha in
> >
> vakhyartha of "tat tvam asi"...
> > >
> > >
In respect of that, vidhyaranya installed a vijaya
sthamba
in
> mulibagilu
> >
> for respecting akshobhya theertha...
> > >
> > >
Weather it is true that vidhyaranaya got defeated by
akshobhya
> theertha
>
> > for vakhyartha of tat tvam asi?
> > >
> > >
Or it is just dvaithi's crooked up story for down
grading other
> > philosophy
> > > acharyas?
>
> >
> > >
> > > regards,
>
> > Harsha Bhat
> > >
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