[Advaita-l] Shaivism and Vedic Hinduism

[Santosh Rao]

I think it is because there is no mention of "Shiva" in vedas in relation
to how he is currently viewed. "Rudra worship" would be the brahminical
counterpart, I guess.

I've never heard that vaishnavas are not considered brahmins, any more info
on that?

In Vedanta, the three pillars are Brahma Sutras, Upanishads, and Bhagavad
Gita, but do the present day Shaiva sects esteem these in the same way
Vaishnavas or Smartas do? Why would a Shaiva give Bhagavad Gita any
importance?

Namaskara,

Santosh

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste
>
> How is it possible to say Shaivism is different from Brahminical
> religion when Satarudriya is from Vedas only? It is a useless
> argument.
>
> As a matter of fact in Gujarat and other places Vaishnavas are not
> considered Brahmins. Only Shiva worshippers are Brahmins. Well known
> fact is Brahmins must worship Siva and Kshatriyas Vishnu. Vaishyas are
> Devi Upasakas and Sudras have to worship Ganesha.
>
> In Pooja and other matters Vaidika and Agama methods are combined.
> This is the way it is today. Nobody in Brahmin tradition is doing pure
> 100% Vaidika or 100% Agama worship. Non Brahmins must not do Vaidika
> worship but always Agama or Puranokta worship only. Ladies also can do
> Puranokta worship with Pauranika Mantras. They should not say Gayatri
> Mantras and Vedic Mantras like some ladies are doing. It is wrong.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:09 PM, Santosh Rao via Advaita-l
> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > Namaskara,
> >
> > Is there a difference between "vaidika dharma" and the Shaiva sects?
> >
> > From some reading it seems the prevalent academic opinion is that
> Shaivism
> > and Shiva worship in general was largely separate from the Brahminical
> > religion for a large period of history before some coalescing between the
> > two occurred. Also, while Vaishnavism seems to be heavily tied into this
> > "Brahmanism," Shaivism seems to be less so. Is there a reason for this,
> or
> > is there a discrepancy between tradition and the academic view?
> >
> > Also, how does the Smarta tradition view the Shaiva agamas? Are they
> > accepted as authoritative at all? Is there a general view of Shaivas
> > regarding Vedas and Upanishads, Puranas, etc; or does it vary from sect
> to
> > sect? Are there any Shaiva sects that could correctly be labelled as
> > "non-vedic?"
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Santosh
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>
> -Venkatesh
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