[Advaita-l] prayAshchitaM for sAvitribhraShTAH

[Rajesh Benjwal]

Namaste Ramachandraji,

Thanks for the very helpful information. There is one shloka in Manu Smriti
about performing three प्रजापत्य कृच्छ also. I am discussing all the
possibility with Sri Mani Dravid Sastriji.

Thanks for your guidance.



On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Ramachandra Sastry via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste,
>
> There are predominantly 6 types of prayachittas described in Dharma sastras
> for Upanayana's mukya/gouna kala atikrama.
>
> 1) Yamokta Shikaavapana poorvaka yavaka vratam
> 2) Manuuna vukata/ Katyayanooktha kruchracharanam
> 3) Apathambokta trividya Brahmacharyam
> 4) Vasistookta Uddalaka vratam, Avabrutam
> 5) Vaikhanasokta Uddalaka vratam
> 6) Yajnavalkya vukta Vyastyastomam
>
>
> Dharmasastra granthas have detailed the above prayaschittas,however for
> today's practical purposes many have suggested the kruchracharanam is the
> way we can follow and if this is also not possible then do pratyamnayam as
> said in shatras and conduct the upanayanam.
>
> Hemadri in his famous prayaschitta-kanda had provided the details on the
> upanayana kala atikrama prayaschitta.
>
> *Please find the screenshots attached to the mail.*
>
> In summary, if a person is getting upanayanam after 16 years, both father
> and the son are required to do prayaschittam.
> Firstly, the father has to do 3 Chandrayana vrata and for the son's shuddi
> Gomukha janana sahita 3 Prajaapatyas to be performed before the upanayana
> samskara is performed.
>
> Since the above vratas are elaborate and difficult to do in the present
> times, sastras have provided the pratyamnayam for the same.
> According to Chaturvimshatimate, for prajapatyavrata 1 Go-dana, for paraaka
> and tapta 3 Go-danas, for chandrayana 8 Go-daanas are the pratyamnayaas.
> According the Smrityartha sara, 3 go-danas are the prathyamnaya for
> Chandrayana.
> Hence by doing the above Go-danas/Pratyamnayas the father and son are
> entitled to get the Upanayana done.
>
> Subsequently, in the place of pratyaksha Go-dana , Go-mulya dakshina
> according to his capacity (yathashakthi) can also be performed.
>
> Hope the above helps.
>
>
> Dhanyavada
> Ramachandra
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Nithin Sridhar via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Surely, you could come down to Sringeri and consult with Shankaracharya.
> I
> > think that is the best option.
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> > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Rajesh Benjwal via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> > >   नमस्ते प्रवीणमहाभाग:,
> > >
> > > You are right people wanting to study Vedas are rare and must be
> > > encouraged. Only because of that I am trying hard to reach to a
> feasible
> > > conclusion and trying to talk with various AcAryAs. Doing
> > > yajnopavitam without any prAyashchita karma is out of my capacity.
> > > vrAtyastoma is out of their capacity as the cost of this yajnA is
> almost
> > 7
> > > lac. 36 Brhamin 5 days and 33 cows.
> > >
> > > First option -
> > >
> > > Go to HH
> > > ​
> > > Shankaracharya. Unfortunately, Shankaracharya matham of the north is
> > under
> > > controversy over who is the real Shankaracharya of jyotirmatha.
> > > Jyotirmatha has broken lineage, there was no Shankaracharya in this
> matha
> > > for 160+ years.
> > >
> > > Second option -
> > >
> > > We are thinking to form a Vedic assembly but unfortunately, scholars
> who
> > > study the whole shakha are rare in north India. We have yajurvedIna but
> > no
> > > RRigvedIna and sAmavedIna. We may get all three in triupati but not in
> > > North India.
> > >
> > > Talk to traditional Scholars -
> > >
> > > In north India, most of the traditional scholars do not know about even
> > > vrAtyastoma. Wearing yajnopavita at the time of marriage is new norm
> > here.
> > >
> > > Someone like Mani Darvida Sastriji may help in this matter. So waiting
> > if I
> > > can get his contact information from somewhere.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Praveen R. Bhat <
> bhatpraveen at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Namaste Rajeshji,
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Rajesh Benjwal via Advaita-l <
> > > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> ​​
> > > >> Thanks, Venkatraghavanji for your suggestion.
> > > >>
> > > >> I just checked Apasthambha sUtra and found अतिक्रान्ते सावित्रया:
> काल
> > > ऋतुं
> > > >> त्रैविद्यकं ब्रह्मचर्यं चरेत्।Means If the proper time for Savitri
> has
> > > >> passed, one shall observe the duties practiced by students familiar
> > with
> > > >> tri-vidyA for a whole Ritu.
> > > >>
> > > >> Looks convincing, let me check it with some Acarya, if I am taking
> the
> > > >> right meaning, who follows Apasthambha sUtra.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > ​It appears that the above solution in Apastamba of following all of
> > > > Brahmachari's vows​ (except for agnikArya, vedAdhyAyana and
> > gurusuSrUSha)
> > > > synchronising with a Rtu is valid only if upanayana is done
> immediately
> > > > afterwards, before 19 years of age is attained! There is more to be
> > done
> > > > after the upanayana too, but its not applicable since your
> prospective
> > > > students are 23 yrs old.
> > > >
> > > > Other than above for 18-19 age range, following seems the solution,
> > which
> > > > is how you too seem to have landed on vrAtyastomayajna in your
> > > > dharmashAstra too.
> > > > 19-20: 3 rounds of cAndrAyaNavrata.
> > > > 20-21: uddAlakavrata.
> > > > 21-22: avabhRtasnAna in ashvamedhayajna (and in Kaliyuga,
> uddAlakavrata
> > > as
> > > > well as 17-day yAvakavrata).
> > > > 22+: vrAtyastomayajna.
> > > >
> > > > That said, I am sure you will not give up on the students since
> people
> > > > wanting to study Vedas is rare and should be encouraged. To that
> > effect,
> > > I
> > > > do feel that some simpler solution will definitely come to light when
> > you
> > > > talk to some traditional scholar, HH
> > > > ​​
> > > > Shankaracharya​ or with a Vedic assembly.
> > > >
> > > > s
> > > > ​hubhaM bhUyAditi prArthaye​
> > > > ,
> > > > --Praveen R. Bhat
> > > > /* येनेदं सर्वं विजानाति, तं केन विजानीयात्। Through what should one
> > know
> > > > That owing to which all this is known! [Br.Up. 4.5.15] */​
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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