[Advaita-l] adhikara for jivanamukti
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Fri Sep 16 05:14:38 EDT 2022
If I may add, my understanding of Sankara is that sannyasa, is an inevitable outcome of Knowledge, as well as a means to achieve it. Detachment from body-mind, like a snake shedding its skin, means that there is no longer any attachment to me and mine. Without attachment, there is no holding to any possessions, as Sankara makes clear in Aitreya Up.
Krishna in 3.22-3.23 is referring to one who works for the benefit of the world, not himself.
> On 16 Sep 2022, at 08:53, Jaldhar H. Vyas via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022, Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l wrote:
>>> Yes I too remember either in this group or in Advaitin group we have
>>> comprehensively discussed the role of Ashrama sannyasa in achieving
>>> Advaita jnana / mukti.
> You keep referring to ashrama sannyasa but the ashrama part (danda, kesari vastra etc.) is not the important part, the sannyasa (of all karma) is. The ashrama part is for the reason Krishna Bhagavan explains in Gita 3.22-23. Foolish people emulate the behaviour which may be appropriate for some but not appropriate for themselves. The wise person soberly does what is appropriate for himself even if that might not be his top preference.
>> I still hold my stand
>>> (ofcourse based on bhAshyakAra's assurance) that for mOksha / jnana
>>> all the varNi-s (including stree shUdra) and all the four ashramites
>>> are eligible irrespective of their caste.
> By eligible, do you mean eligible to try or eligible to achieve. Because these are two different things.
>> If they are sincere
>>> mumukshu-s they would get the jnana when their efforts are ripe.
> And the efforts will not be ripe in this lifetime for all those who try. sometimes it might be prudent for such people to adopt an alternative course which will still get them to the goal merely at a different pace.
>>> While agreeing that for the jignAsu Ashrama sannyasa is more conducive
>>> for doing the jnana sAdhana it would be worthy to note that kevala
>>> Ashrama sannyasa sveekAra cannot guarantee us mOksha and paramArtha
>>> jnana is not any "ashrama adheena".
> Nothing in life is guaranteed but from a practical point of view we can say what is more likely to succeed and what is not.
> In theory anyone can become a professional basketball player. Some will need a lot of practice, some due to their natural talents will need only a little but the person who is short, clumsy and out of shape will be very unlikely to be accepted even if the most ardent basketball fan.
> Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
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