[Advaita-l] [advaitin] rAma-krishna-shiva-durga etc. are not same in shAstric vyavahAra!!!

[V Subrahmanian]

On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 11:51 AM H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Subrahmanian Ji.
>
> Reg  various observations from different posts
>
> <<  Bhashya for Br.Up. mantra 1.4.1:
>
>  ज्ञानकर्मभ्यां समुच्चिताभ्यां प्रजापतित्वप्राप्तिर्व्याख्याता ;
> केवलप्राणदर्शनेन च — ‘तद्धैतल्लोकजिदेव’ इत्यादिना । प्रजापतेः फलभूतस्य
> सृष्टिस्थितिसंहारेषु जगतः स्वातन्त्र्यादिविभूत्युपवर्णनेन
> ज्ञानकर्मणोर्वैदिकयोः फलोत्कर्षो वर्णयितव्य इत्येवमर्थमारभ्यते । तेन च
> कर्मकाण्डविहितज्ञानकर्मस्तुतिः कृता भवेत्सामर्थ्यात् । >>,
>
>   <<  In order to be in line with the Br.Up. Bhashya on Prajapati that we
> have discussed, his having the capacity to create, sustain, destroy,
> independently  >>,
>
> <<  Hiranyagarbha, the Lord of that 14th loka, where
> saguna upasaka's go for krama mukti, is stated by Shankara in that Br.Up.
> bhashya as the one who is independently capable of creation, etc. This H is
> someone who has attained that status through upasana, and in that section
> alone Shankara says about his capacity  >>,
>
> The context of the Bhashya cited above is the sambanda between the three
> preceding BrAhmaNAs of BU, dealing with jnAna karma samucchaya sAdhanAs,
> and the succeeding BrahmaNAs dealing with jnAna. Creation requires
> extraordinary knowledge concerning the same and associated ability to
> recreate using such knowledge. The sAdhanAs prescribed in the three
> preceding BrAhmaNAs enable the sAdhaka to achieve such a level of knowledge
> and capability on his own. He does not need any other help in such an
> activity. That is stated to be his **स्वातन्त्र्या (independence)**. It
> is glorification of the sAdhanAs , considering that  they  lead to such
> **independent** capability. It is only Isvara, through such an
> intermediary,  creates the universe.
>
> However it is also intended to convey the limitations of such sAdhanAs.
> The highest benefits resulting from the same, mentioned by the term  **
> स्वातन्त्र्या (independence)** is still within the realms of samsAra
>  only, with all its limitations highlighted elsewhere. They cannot lead to
> mOksha. For that, jnAna is the only solution, which forms the subject
> matter of succeeding BrAhmaNAs. This is the tAtparya of the sambanda
> bhAshya here.
>

Yes, this is agreed. This is in the Bhashya itself.



> Reg  <<  That in Advaita the saguna brahma upasakas go to Brahma loka
> which is called Hiranyagarbha loka.  It is here, I understand from the
> wordings of the last section of the Brahma sutra bhashya that the upasakas,
> having become muktas there, attain 'Ishvara saayujyam' as Shankara says.
> And this 'Ishwara' has to be this head of this loka: the
> Prajapati/Hiranyagarbha/VirAt  >>,
>
> My understanding is different. The upAsakAs, who gain jnAna in this lOka
> and become muktAs, enjoy all the benefits enjoyed by
> Prajapati/Hiranyagarbha/VirAt except the power relating to Creation. This
> is my understanding.
>

The basis of my statement is this Bhashya 4.4.17:

ये सगुणब्रह्मोपासनात् सहैव मनसा *ईश्वर**सायुज्यं* व्रजन्ति, किं तेषां
निरवग्रहमैश्वर्यं भवति, आहोस्वित्सावग्रहमिति संशयः ।

//Those saguna brahma upasakas who attain Ishwara saayujya with the manas,
do they have unlimited aishwarya or limited - this is the question.//

The reply is as you have stated.

regards
subbu



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