[Advaita-l] jivanmukti & Lord Rama query

[Kaushik Chevendra]

Here is the verse with Shankaracharya commentary

अवजानन्ति मां मूढा मानुषीं तनुमाश्रितम् ।। परं भावमजानन्तो मम भूतमहेश्वरम्
॥११॥
 11. Fools deride Me, who have assumed a human body; for, they are unaware
of My transcendent status as the great Lord of beings. 11.1. अवजानन्ति इति
।। अवजानन्ति अवज्ञां परिभवं कुर्वन्ति मां मूढा अवि- वेकिनो मानुषीं
मनुष्यसंबन्धिनीं तनुं देहं आश्रितं, मनुष्यदेहेन व्यवहरन्तमित्येतत् । परं
प्रकृष्टं भावं परमात्मतत्त्वं आकाशकल्पं आकाशात् अपि अन्तरतमं अजानन्तो मम
भूतमहेश्वरं सर्वभूतानां महान्तमीश्वरं स्वं आत्मानम् । ततश्च तस्य मम
अवज्ञाभावनेनाऽऽहताः वराकास्ते ।। कथम् ? -
 11.1. 'Fools deride' show contempt and aversion for Me, since they fail to
discriminate. As I have assumed a human body, I function as a human being.
They know nothing about My 'transcendent' exalted-status, the truth of the
Supreme Self that is immense like space and subtler than it. I am the great
Lord of all beings, their very Self. Therefore are those unfortunate ones
smitten by their attitude of contempt towards.



So yes even though bhagavan appears as human he is not so. And it is
established that rama and Krishna are both Lord Narayana



On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 at 2:15 PM, Kaushik Chevendra <
chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:

> Namaste.
> Rama was not a jivan Muktha. He is Parameshwara. Bhagavan explained this
> in Gita saying that he appears on earth as human in order to establish
> dharma however he never loses his knowledge of being Parameshwara. This is
> what Shankaracharya explained in his Geeta bhasya. So it’s generally called
> “Leela”, it is hard to determine why bagavan does an action. Lord when he
> took avatara as Krishna he cried when he was told his father passed away
> which was a lie. He being the sarva antaryami knew that it was a lie yet he
> still cries, why? No one knows.
> My personal suggestion regarding Bhagavans Leela is that it is not
> possible to understand his actions. All we can do is worship him that’s
> all. Hope this helps
> Namo Narayana
>
> On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 at 2:00 PM, aham brahmaasmi via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> नमो विद्वत्सभायै !
>>
>> I have heard that Lord Rama, on hearing about Sitamata's abduction, was so
>> 'shokaakula' (grief-stricken), that He went around asking the trees,
>> streams , birds of her whereabouts.   Also, that he also even contemplated
>> suicide.  I have read this in a couple of places, also mentioned in ? one
>> of the puranas (via  Parampujya Swami Ishwarananda Giri maharaj's talk).
>>
>>  Lord Rama was an avatar-purusha, and as per yoga-vasishtha, displayed
>> very
>> high SCS, vairagyam etc. even at age 12-13. He got instructed in
>> Brahmavidya soon after, which clearly makes him a jnani ( in addition to
>> avatar purusha. ).
>>
>> So my questions are
>>
>> 1)  what is jivanmukti then? If someone like Lord Rama could get this
>> affected, (to even contemplate suicide), what to say about ordinary
>> individuals like me ?  *Yet,* on the other hand, my Guru, and all mahatmas
>> too probably,  emphatically reiterate that it is possible  to get
>> jivanmukti in this very janma.
>>
>> 2) And how can Lord Rama's above-stated response (IF it is correct), be
>> reconciled with BG  'gurNApi dukhena na vichAlyate' ?
>>
>> I am sorry I am unable to trace the exact video, but it is  one of Swami
>> Ishwarananda Giriji's
>> https://www.youtube.com/@SamvitDarshanRRC
>>
>> Most importantly, this is only a *very sincere question* that has bothered
>> me for very long.
>>
>> thanks in advance, for your replies,
>> sakshi
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