[Advaita-l] what is the technical definition of Drik in Advaita?

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste Sudhanshu Ji,

Reg  //  The problem with shuddha chaitanya being drik is -- there is
nothing to be seen for shuddha chaitanya //,

And

//  Hence, drik has to be sAskhI. And sAkshI is defined as
avidyA-upahita-chaitanya //,

The Katha Up mantra I had cited refers to

//  तमेव भान्तमनुभाति सर्वं तस्य भासा सर्वमिदं विभाति //

//  tameva bhAntamanubhAti sarvaM tasya bhAsA sarvamidaM vibhAti //.

If Drik is restricted to sAkshi, who illumines the upAdhi , namely ajnAna,
which is part of sAkshi ?? . Shuddha Chaitanya . In this particular
context, I prefer to understand Shuddha Chaitanya as Drik. Restricting it
to sAkshi  takes away from the beauty of the concept.

Regards

On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 5:08 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Chandramouli ji.
>
> The problem with shuddha chaitanya being drik is -- there is nothing to be
> seen for shuddha chaitanya. And drik necessarily needs drishya. Because it
> is the seer. It needs "seen" for its very definition.
>
> Hence, drik has to be sAskhI. And sAkshI is defined as
> avidyA-upahita-chaitanya.
>
> Shuddha chaitanya is drik-without-drik-hood, sAkshI-without-sAkshi-hood.
> drik-hood, sAkshi-hood are products of ignorance.
>
> Regards.
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 3:22 PM H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Namaste.
>>
>> As mentioned in the quote by Jaldhar Ji, dR^ik in Advaita SiddhAnta is
>> Chaitanya/Atman/Brahman. I am citing below just one quote in respect of
>> this from Katha Up. It is a followup on 2-2-8 which I have not cited here,
>> and may be referred to for context.
>>
>> Katha Up 2-2-15 //  न तत्र सूर्यो भाति न चन्द्रतारकं नेमा विद्युतो भान्ति
>> कुतोऽयमग्निः ।
>> तमेव भान्तमनुभाति सर्वं तस्य भासा सर्वमिदं विभाति ॥ १५ ॥  //
>>
>> //  na tatra sUryo bhAti na chandratArakaM nemA vidyuto bhAnti
>> kuto.ayamagniH |
>>
>> tameva bhAntamanubhAti sarvaM tasya bhAsA sarvamidaM vibhAti || 15 || //
>>
>> Translation (Swami Gambhirananda)  //  There the sun does not shine,
>> neither do the moon and the stars; nor do these flashes of lightning
>> shine.
>> How can this fire? He shining, all these shine; through his lustre all
>> these are variously illumined.  // .
>>
>> Regards
>>
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>> On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 11:10 AM Jaldhar H. Vyas via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, 31 May 2024, Krishna Kashyap via Advaita-l wrote:
>> >
>> > > what is the technical definition of Drik in Advaita?
>> > >
>> > > is this in drik drishya viveka or in some other text?
>> > >
>> >
>> > shrI rAmarAya kavi in his vedAntasaMgraha says:
>> >
>> > dR^ik dR^ishyaM dvau padArthau | imAmeva chidAchiditi GYAnaM jaDamiti
>> cha
>> > vyvaharanti | svaprakAshatve sati svetarasarvAvabhAsakatvaM dR^isho
>> > lakShaNam | GYeyatvaM dR^shyasya lakShanam |
>> >
>> > "The two substances are the seer and the seen.  These are also
>> > conventionally known as chit[1] and achita[2] and GYAna[3] and jaDa[4].
>> > The definition of the seer is that it illuminates all else being
>> > self-luminous.  Being the object of Jnana is the definition of seen."
>> >
>> > [1] consciousness.
>> >
>> > [2] unconsciousness or rather, non-consciousness.
>> >
>> > [3] knowledge
>> >
>> > [4] inertness
>> >
>> > I have left certain words in Sanskrit in the main body of the
>> translation
>> > and only attempted to give an English definition in footnotes because
>> > such definitions are inexact. Better to use the proper terms for
>> > precision.
>> >
>> > --
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