[Advaita-l] what is the technical definition of Drik in Advaita?

[Sudhanshu Shekhar]

Namaste Chandramouli ji.

I have gone through the said BrAhmaNa in great detail a number of times.

I would repeat my understanding -- shuddha Brahman is not sAkshI.

SAkshI is avidyA-upahita-chaitanya.

DrashTA is sAkshI.

There is adhyAsa of drashTritva in shuddha chaitanya. DrashTritva is
avidyA-prayukta.

"There is nitya drishTi of Atman" refers to sAkshI. The concept of nitya
requires concept of time. That itself is product of avidyA.

Let us analyse logically where we differ. Not merely quote sentences from
bhAshya but analyse logically. How can shuddha chaitanya be sAkshI!

Regards.

On Fri, 31 May, 2024, 6:23 pm H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste.
>
> BUB 3-4-1 (Ushastha BrahmaNa) may also be referred. Copying a small part
>  from the same below.
>
> //  वस्तुस्वाभाव्यात् ; किं पुनः तत् वस्तुस्वाभाव्यम् ?
> दृष्ट्यादिद्रष्टृत्वम् ; दृष्टेर्द्रष्टा ह्यात्मा ; दृष्टिरिति द्विविधा
> भवति —
> लौकिकी पारमार्थिकी चेति   //
>
> //  vastusvAbhAvyAt ; kiM punaH tat vastusvAbhAvyam ?
> dRRiShTyAdidraShTRRitvam ; dRRiShTerdraShTA hyAtmA ; dRRiShTiriti dvividhA
> bhavati — laukikI pAramArthikI cheti  //
>
> Translation (Swami Madhavananda)  //  What is that ? Its being the witness
> of vision etc. for the self is the witness of vision. Vision is of two
> kinds, ordinary and real //
>
> I have copied only a small part from the Bhashya, just as an introduction
> to what I posted earlier. In the context of the question raised, it would
> be very useful and illuminating to study this BrahmaNa ( Ushastha
> BrahmaNa), having just two mantras, in its entirety.
>
> Regards.
>
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> On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 3:21 PM H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Namaste.
> >
> > As mentioned in the quote by Jaldhar Ji, dR^ik in Advaita SiddhAnta is
> > Chaitanya/Atman/Brahman. I am citing below just one quote in respect of
> > this from Katha Up. It is a followup on 2-2-8 which I have not cited
> here,
> > and may be referred to for context.
> >
> > Katha Up 2-2-15 //  न तत्र सूर्यो भाति न चन्द्रतारकं नेमा विद्युतो भान्ति
> > कुतोऽयमग्निः ।
> > तमेव भान्तमनुभाति सर्वं तस्य भासा सर्वमिदं विभाति ॥ १५ ॥  //
> >
> > //  na tatra sUryo bhAti na chandratArakaM nemA vidyuto bhAnti
> > kuto.ayamagniH |
> >
> > tameva bhAntamanubhAti sarvaM tasya bhAsA sarvamidaM vibhAti || 15 || //
> >
> > Translation (Swami Gambhirananda)  //  There the sun does not shine,
> > neither do the moon and the stars; nor do these flashes of lightning
> shine.
> > How can this fire? He shining, all these shine; through his lustre all
> > these are variously illumined.  // .
> >
> > Regards
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> > On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 11:10 AM Jaldhar H. Vyas via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 31 May 2024, Krishna Kashyap via Advaita-l wrote:
> >>
> >> > what is the technical definition of Drik in Advaita?
> >> >
> >> > is this in drik drishya viveka or in some other text?
> >> >
> >>
> >> shrI rAmarAya kavi in his vedAntasaMgraha says:
> >>
> >> dR^ik dR^ishyaM dvau padArthau | imAmeva chidAchiditi GYAnaM jaDamiti
> cha
> >> vyvaharanti | svaprakAshatve sati svetarasarvAvabhAsakatvaM dR^isho
> >> lakShaNam | GYeyatvaM dR^shyasya lakShanam |
> >>
> >> "The two substances are the seer and the seen.  These are also
> >> conventionally known as chit[1] and achita[2] and GYAna[3] and jaDa[4].
> >> The definition of the seer is that it illuminates all else being
> >> self-luminous.  Being the object of Jnana is the definition of seen."
> >>
> >> [1] consciousness.
> >>
> >> [2] unconsciousness or rather, non-consciousness.
> >>
> >> [3] knowledge
> >>
> >> [4] inertness
> >>
> >> I have left certain words in Sanskrit in the main body of the
> translation
> >> and only attempted to give an English definition in footnotes because
> >> such definitions are inexact. Better to use the proper terms for
> >> precision.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
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