[Advaita-l] what is the technical definition of Drik in Advaita?

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste Sudhanshu Ji,

I have not said Shudha Brahman is sAkshi. I understand Drik to be Shuddha
Brahman.

I understand Shuddha Brahman to be the Illuminator of everything. That
includes avidyA and its kArya like time etc.

Regards

On Fri, 31 May 2024, 18:58 Sudhanshu Shekhar, <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Chandramouli ji.
>
> I have gone through the said BrAhmaNa in great detail a number of times.
>
> I would repeat my understanding -- shuddha Brahman is not sAkshI.
>
> SAkshI is avidyA-upahita-chaitanya.
>
> DrashTA is sAkshI.
>
> There is adhyAsa of drashTritva in shuddha chaitanya. DrashTritva is
> avidyA-prayukta.
>
> "There is nitya drishTi of Atman" refers to sAkshI. The concept of nitya
> requires concept of time. That itself is product of avidyA.
>
> Let us analyse logically where we differ. Not merely quote sentences from
> bhAshya but analyse logically. How can shuddha chaitanya be sAkshI!
>
> Regards.
>
> On Fri, 31 May, 2024, 6:23 pm H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Namaste.
>>
>> BUB 3-4-1 (Ushastha BrahmaNa) may also be referred. Copying a small part
>>  from the same below.
>>
>> //  वस्तुस्वाभाव्यात् ; किं पुनः तत् वस्तुस्वाभाव्यम् ?
>> दृष्ट्यादिद्रष्टृत्वम् ; दृष्टेर्द्रष्टा ह्यात्मा ; दृष्टिरिति द्विविधा
>> भवति —
>> लौकिकी पारमार्थिकी चेति   //
>>
>> //  vastusvAbhAvyAt ; kiM punaH tat vastusvAbhAvyam ?
>> dRRiShTyAdidraShTRRitvam ; dRRiShTerdraShTA hyAtmA ; dRRiShTiriti dvividhA
>> bhavati — laukikI pAramArthikI cheti  //
>>
>> Translation (Swami Madhavananda)  //  What is that ? Its being the witness
>> of vision etc. for the self is the witness of vision. Vision is of two
>> kinds, ordinary and real //
>>
>> I have copied only a small part from the Bhashya, just as an introduction
>> to what I posted earlier. In the context of the question raised, it would
>> be very useful and illuminating to study this BrahmaNa ( Ushastha
>> BrahmaNa), having just two mantras, in its entirety.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>>
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>> On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 3:21 PM H S Chandramouli <
>> hschandramouli at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Namaste.
>> >
>> > As mentioned in the quote by Jaldhar Ji, dR^ik in Advaita SiddhAnta is
>> > Chaitanya/Atman/Brahman. I am citing below just one quote in respect of
>> > this from Katha Up. It is a followup on 2-2-8 which I have not cited
>> here,
>> > and may be referred to for context.
>> >
>> > Katha Up 2-2-15 //  न तत्र सूर्यो भाति न चन्द्रतारकं नेमा विद्युतो
>> भान्ति
>> > कुतोऽयमग्निः ।
>> > तमेव भान्तमनुभाति सर्वं तस्य भासा सर्वमिदं विभाति ॥ १५ ॥  //
>> >
>> > //  na tatra sUryo bhAti na chandratArakaM nemA vidyuto bhAnti
>> > kuto.ayamagniH |
>> >
>> > tameva bhAntamanubhAti sarvaM tasya bhAsA sarvamidaM vibhAti || 15 || //
>> >
>> > Translation (Swami Gambhirananda)  //  There the sun does not shine,
>> > neither do the moon and the stars; nor do these flashes of lightning
>> shine.
>> > How can this fire? He shining, all these shine; through his lustre all
>> > these are variously illumined.  // .
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
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>> > On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 11:10 AM Jaldhar H. Vyas via Advaita-l <
>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 31 May 2024, Krishna Kashyap via Advaita-l wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > what is the technical definition of Drik in Advaita?
>> >> >
>> >> > is this in drik drishya viveka or in some other text?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> shrI rAmarAya kavi in his vedAntasaMgraha says:
>> >>
>> >> dR^ik dR^ishyaM dvau padArthau | imAmeva chidAchiditi GYAnaM jaDamiti
>> cha
>> >> vyvaharanti | svaprakAshatve sati svetarasarvAvabhAsakatvaM dR^isho
>> >> lakShaNam | GYeyatvaM dR^shyasya lakShanam |
>> >>
>> >> "The two substances are the seer and the seen.  These are also
>> >> conventionally known as chit[1] and achita[2] and GYAna[3] and jaDa[4].
>> >> The definition of the seer is that it illuminates all else being
>> >> self-luminous.  Being the object of Jnana is the definition of seen."
>> >>
>> >> [1] consciousness.
>> >>
>> >> [2] unconsciousness or rather, non-consciousness.
>> >>
>> >> [3] knowledge
>> >>
>> >> [4] inertness
>> >>
>> >> I have left certain words in Sanskrit in the main body of the
>> translation
>> >> and only attempted to give an English definition in footnotes because
>> >> such definitions are inexact. Better to use the proper terms for
>> >> precision.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
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